You know who isn't getting enough credit? Marty Hurney

[Ace Ventura: Pet Detective]

32 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

The contracts were awful, and I 100% think that Jerry had a hand in some of that...I also think that Jerry had a hand in Matt Kalil, commonly known as one of DG's worst mistakes around here.  (and it was)

However, many of Hurney's draft moves were confounding, with a few of them being down right stupid.  Go back and look at Marty's success in the 2nd round during his time here.

He hasn't really done anything yet to completely screw up the team long term, so I'll say that.

fair point.

[KendrickPanther]

Our pass rush has not been up to par. We shall see but its a bit concerning we didn't really add anything at DE

[Fox007]

Hard to tell which part is/was Hurney being inept or Richardson being a...dunno what to even call that poo. An owner that actively hinders his own team and did so for years...people on here were convinced Richardson wanted to win and it was enough to just have a team. Hurney in his first round set this franchise back years and failed miserably....the only reason he has a job at all is because of that same Richardson.....only a situation the Panthers would find themselves in rofl....

The best thing this team has going for it is actually the new owner and the change in mentality he brings....can't measure the impact he has on Hurney/Rivera as they both know they could be out at the slightest hint of being terrible and they seem to be acting accordingly which is a good thing. Regardless our moves have been good overall but Hurney still had a pick or two and even had a whole entire draft before that wasn't bad. Question is though, are there better GMs to have? I'm still for open auditions for the position including Hurney having to apply again. Tepper didn't hire him and we bring in upgrades/competition for players all day every day so I still say we try to find the best and if that's Hurney then good for him.

Hurney has done a good job thus far and this draft could be one of his all time drafts overall.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Hurney is a good 

[Fox007]

20 minutes ago, Ludwig23 said:

I was one of the few that wanted to keep him

If you're talking about the first time he was fired then you lose all credibility. Marty Hurney would fire Marty Hurney in his first stint here.

(either that or come out and actually say it was JR being an old poo stain)

[xav8tor]

26 minutes ago, KendrickPanther said:

Our pass rush has not been up to par. We shall see but its a bit concerning we didn't really add anything at DE

Granted, one game (and only 19 snaps at that) does not an all pro make, but the most recent NFC DPW might beg to differ. Time will tell, and rookie mistakes will happen, but I got a feeling there's a chance that you might well have to revise your assessment of whether we added anything at DE on the 53.

[Definitely Not Trolling]

Credit Hurney for what? Rivera runs the team. 

If we win the Superbowl I will forget the decade long retardation of Marty Hurney picks and contracts.

[JARROD]

On 9/28/2018 at 9:04 AM, Khyber53 said:

I brought this up in another topic, but yeah, Marty has been doing a great job. Not just this year, but last as well. That trading away of Kelvin Benjamin? In hindsight I think we'd all agree that it was definitely for the best. Getting Peppers to come back? Beautiful! Drafting, so far, so good.

The guy is doing for us what he did back in the days of Fox -- putting together a legitimate team. This time, he has more experience and insight. It shows. And I think Marty is still chasing that ring he didn't get thanks to the Patriots back in '03. 

Glad to see him back and darned impressed by what he has done so far.

He better be chasing a ring every year,.. isn’t that the goal? 

A ring and a win over the Patriots would be icing on the cake,.. but the Patriots look like poo so far this year and may lose the division to Miami ha...

 

[Car123]

I'm not shocked. Once upon a time Hurney was a top 10 gm.

[KendrickPanther]

1 hour ago, xav8tor said:

Granted, one game (and only 19 snaps at that) does not an all pro make, but the most recent NFC DPW might beg to differ. Time will tell, and rookie mistakes will happen, but I got a feeling there's a chance that you might well have to revise your assessment of whether we added anything at DE on the 53.

He was with us last year. I like Efe but the odds are still against him being a long time starter in the NFL.

[Jay Roosevelt]

Hurney has been bashed around here for so long that many forget he was actually a pretty solid GM for most of his first tenure here.

Sure, he went off the rails a bit those last 2-3 years, but even then he drafted Cam, Luke, and Josh Norman + fleeced the Bears out of Greg Olsen.

I've said since he was brought back that if he has legitimately learned from his mistakes he can be a really good GM.

The jury's still out, but he's done a pretty good job so far, especially under the circumstances of ownership changing hands.

[CarolinaSamurai]

23 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Hurney has been bashed around here for so long that many forget he was actually a pretty solid GM for most of his first tenure here.

Sure, he went off the rails a bit those last 2-3 years, but even then he drafted Cam, Luke, and Josh Norman + fleeced the Bears out of Greg Olsen.

I've said since he was brought back that if he has legitimately learned from his mistakes he can be a really good GM.

The jury's still out, but he's done a pretty good job so far, especially under the circumstances of ownership changing hands.

Let's not forget the circumstances surrounding all those big contracts he gave out were following a lockout. I've heard JR wanted to pay to retain his talent bc of that. 

[xav8tor]

13 minutes ago, KendrickPanther said:

He was with us last year. I like Efe but the odds are still against him being a long time starter in the NFL.

On the PS, as a gimme for the random NFCS int'l experiment, yeah he was an answer "already on the roster," but they didn't have to promote him, much less activate him. That said, I share your, and many others' concerns. True, it was only a limited number of snaps in a single game, his lack of prior experience, etc. and so on, but imagine his impact if he maintains a half to even a third of those stats/plays when his number is called for an entire series of games. DE won't be nearly as big of a concern as it was until, inevitably, we have to fill Pepper's shoes. 

As an objective observer, I see something in this guy that few people have. Efe has that "it" factor three times over, and if beating odds is the question, this is not a guy I would bet against as it stands right now. 

Yes, it's a feel good story, and you could easily assign all sorts of ulterior motives to the hoopla, but "film don't lie." If Efe is so raw and inexperienced, then, even at 26 (recall Pep's current age, Wake entering the NFL at 26, etc.) what the heck is his ceiling?

Back on the OT question, while Marty, RR, and crew have made some nice moves recently, based upon their own history, I'm not nearly as convinced that they'll make the commitment and decisions required for Obada to have the best shot at success. I hope I'm wrong.

After last week in 19 plays, if I'm combining all of the stats correctly (and even if I'm not): 1 INT, 1 sack, 1 PD, a QB hit (overturned FF), and based upon Obada's own personal history, I am 110% certain that he deserves a real shot. And, let's not forget the intangible factor he brings to the entire team. That was clear after every big play he made on the field, and the reactions of people on the sideline. 

With upcoming injury related and similar in season roster moves, I am hoping that the FO maintains a clear head and that Obada doesn't become that kind of casualty. For example, regardless of positional needs, no way any sane human being at this point in time would demote Obada in favor of half the guys on IR unless he just has a total meltdown and flames out. I don't see that happening, but I do still fear a head scratching move by one or more of the guys in street clothes. 

[Sub Zero]

2 hours ago, Definitely Not Trolling said:

Credit Hurney for what? Rivera runs the team. 

If we win the Superbowl I will forget the decade long retardation of Marty Hurney picks and contracts.

Dumb as hell statement.. You have no knowledge of Hurney history here.. 

Everybody with knowledge,  ..acknowledges Hurney 1st 7 years as GM in his 1st stint was pretty good.. He deserve to get fired for his last 3 years of that stint.. But it is dumb to blanket A superbowl run and 2 NFC championship games as retarted..