You know who isn't getting enough credit? Marty Hurney

[Krovvy]

Just now, Toomers said:

I have no clue what you’re talking about. Just say what you mean. You post this crap and call my posts garbage. What kind of spinning BS is this? 

 And how exactly would you like me to compare two different GMs in two completely different situations? By what?

You can't answer a simple question, all you have to do is pick one, Gettleman or Hurney. It's easy for me, Hurney. Now you try it.

[Toomers]

Just now, Krovvy said:

You can't answer a simple question, all you have to do is pick one, Gettleman or Hurney. It's easy for me, Hurney. Now you try it.

Ok Gettleman. go........

[Krovvy]

Just now, Toomers said:

Ok Gettleman. go........

Thanks.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Thanks.

  Anytime. 

[Sub Zero]

21 hours ago, Definitely Not Trolling said:

2 contending years out of 10. Last I checked 20% puts you in tardville territory

No your residency in that zip code is secure..

Again most here would agree he put together some really good teams and was great with the cap his 1st 7 seasons.. You can't blame him for Fox not playing or developing rookies and his constant dependence on vet signings... Not to mention major injuries derailing a season.. 

But keep your dumbass narrative with no context going.. It looks good on you...

[Sub Zero]

I'm done with this stupidity after this..

While ppl keep wanting to pat Gman on the back for the winning that happen under his control.. They keep forgetting we still never had back to back winning seasons and the foundation of this team was built before he got here..

[bewonee]

On 9/28/2018 at 9:04 AM, Khyber53 said:

I brought this up in another topic, but yeah, Marty has been doing a great job. Not just this year, but last as well. That trading away of Kelvin Benjamin? In hindsight I think we'd all agree that it was definitely for the best. Getting Peppers to come back? Beautiful! Drafting, so far, so good.

The guy is doing for us what he did back in the days of Fox -- putting together a legitimate team. This time, he has more experience and insight. It shows. And I think Marty is still chasing that ring he didn't get thanks to the Patriots back in '03. 

Glad to see him back and darned impressed by what he has done so far.

I'd disagree that trading KB was the right move, he couldn't have foreseen all of the injuries to the WR core and at the time he made it it was the right move, but that trade kinda fuged us up torwards the end of the year.when our entire core died to injury

[bewonee]

On 9/28/2018 at 10:27 AM, Lumps said:

The ONLY, SINGLE reason Cam was taken #1 overall is the same year a rookie salary cap was put in place. And that holds true for any team that would have drafted him in the first round (not saying JR wouldn’t have drafted him for your reasons stated). 

Cam had one great college year and was raw as hell. Very few teams would’ve signed a risk like that on a Bradford type deal out of the gate.

Gabbert isn’t a bad QB, but lucky for us we got the best QB in that draft, and the cap made that risk possible more than any other influence.

"Gabbert isn't a bad QB"
LMAO

[Khyber53]

34 minutes ago, bewonee said:

I'd disagree that trading KB was the right move, he couldn't have foreseen all of the injuries to the WR core and at the time he made it it was the right move, but that trade kinda fuged us up torwards the end of the year.when our entire core died to injury

KB was shambling so slowly and with such little motivation that really he was no better than an injured guy on the roster. We did go out in the playoffs, but we did also post an 11-5 record in the toughest division in the NFL. That ain't fugged. 

[CPantherKing]

On 9/30/2018 at 9:52 AM, Car123 said:

Shula, Stewart would still be on the team and we would have drafted a defensive tackle in round one. 

And Worley would still be starting with Donte Jackson on another team. Kurt Coleman and Remmers would still be here too. All the money would have gone to an over saturated OG/DTs with KB getting money for his size and not his hands.

On 9/30/2018 at 9:54 AM, Toomers said:

Yet somehow, 80% of the time, we were in the playoffs. 

That was because 80% of the production on those teams came from the Marty Hurney core of players Gettleman leaned on and over extended for years.

[Definitely Not Trolling]

10 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

No your residency in that zip code is secure..

Again most here would agree he put together some really good teams and was great with the cap his 1st 7 seasons.. You can't blame him for Fox not playing or developing rookies and his constant dependence on vet signings... Not to mention major injuries derailing a season.. 

But keep your dumbass narrative with no context going.. It looks good on you...

CAR	2002	7	9	0	.438	4th in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2003	11	5	0	.688	1st in NFC South	3	1	.750	Lost to New England Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVIII.
CAR	2004	7	9	0	.438	3rd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2005	11	5	0	.688	2nd in NFC South	2	1	.667	Lost to Seattle Seahawks in NFC Championship Game.
CAR	2006	8	8	0	.500	2nd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2007	7	9	0	.438	2nd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2008	12	4	0	.750	1st in NFC South	0	1	.000	Lost to Arizona Cardinals in NFC Divisional Game.
CAR	2009	8	8	0	.500	3rd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2010	2	14	0	.125	4th in NFC South	-	-	-	-

 

please point to the "really good" season Marty had outside of 2003 and 2005. In my book getting blown out in embarrassing fashion in the 1st round of the playoffs isnt a "really good" season, but to each their own.

I guess my "dumbass narative" is going by his stats, I didnt realize it was Fox's fault for not developing Jimmy Clausen into a powerhouse QB. Maybe it was Fox's fault for not developing all those 1st rounder picks he never had for like 3 years in a row. Probably Fox's fault for not signing any good free agents or signing bad players to mega deals. Probably Fox's fault for putting the team in a cap shithole for 7 seasons. 

But hey, at least when Jerry Richardson banned him from trading away 1st round picks he managed to pick up Cam after a 2 win season. Kudos to the Hurndog

[bewonee]

56 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

KB was shambling so slowly and with such little motivation that really he was no better than an injured guy on the roster. We did go out in the playoffs, but we did also post an 11-5 record in the toughest division in the NFL. That ain't fugged. 

KB is better than Kaelin Clay, don't even pretend he isn't. He was probablt better than Funchess at 50% too.

[bewonee]

35 minutes ago, Definitely Not Trolling said:

CAR	2002	7	9	0	.438	4th in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2003	11	5	0	.688	1st in NFC South	3	1	.750	Lost to New England Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVIII.
CAR	2004	7	9	0	.438	3rd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2005	11	5	0	.688	2nd in NFC South	2	1	.667	Lost to Seattle Seahawks in NFC Championship Game.
CAR	2006	8	8	0	.500	2nd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2007	7	9	0	.438	2nd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2008	12	4	0	.750	1st in NFC South	0	1	.000	Lost to Arizona Cardinals in NFC Divisional Game.
CAR	2009	8	8	0	.500	3rd in NFC South	-	-	-	-
CAR	2010	2	14	0	.125	4th in NFC South	-	-	-	-

 

please point to the "really good" season Marty had outside of 2003 and 2005. In my book getting blown out in embarrassing fashion in the 1st round of the playoffs isnt a "really good" season, but to each their own.

I guess my "dumbass narative" is going by his stats, I didnt realize it was Fox's fault for not developing Jimmy Clausen into a powerhouse QB. Maybe it was Fox's fault for not developing all those 1st rounder picks he never had for like 3 years in a row. Probably Fox's fault for not signing any good free agents or signing bad players to mega deals. Probably Fox's fault for putting the team in a cap shithole for 7 seasons. 

But hey, at least when Jerry Richardson banned him from trading away 1st round picks he managed to pick up Cam after a 2 win season. Kudos to the Hurndog

Both Stew and Dwill were injured and didn't play in the divisional game. We would've at leasy put up a fight barring injuries,

[Khyber53]

43 minutes ago, bewonee said:

KB is better than Kaelin Clay, don't even pretend he isn't. He was probablt better than Funchess at 50% too.

Most folks are better than Kaelin Clay. I'm pretty sure you are wrong about Funchess, though -- everything is pointing to that being the case.