Has anyone noticed when Jake throws deep

[panthers55]

In Game 1, the INT he threw for Smith to the side line, he had plenty of time and wasn't near being touched. The ball came up extremely short was picked off

His arm just isn't there anymore

Well that is surely the smoking gun. He threw a short pass on the out in game one. That must of been the one time he wasn't being trampled by the defense in the backfield.

Yeah that surely means his arm his shot.

[CRA]

What that is surely the smoking gun. He threw a short pass on the out in game one. That must of been the one time he wasn't being trampled by the defense in the backfield.

Yeah that surely means his arm his shot.

Jake Delhomme could hold a press conference and say his arm is shot and you would probably pull a Joe Wilson and shout, You Lie!

[panthers55]

Jake Delhomme could hold a press conference and say his arm is shot and you would probably pull a Joe Wilson and shout, You Lie!

Hardly. Then it would be from a credible source and I would agree with you then. Until that time reports from the doctors, coaches, trainers etc were that things were successful. So far this season I have seen nothing in his arm strength to refute that because it isn't there.

The burden of proof that is arm is shot is on those making the statements and interceptions are hardly definitive. Neither are underthrown balls when he has overthrown just as many. It is just as easy to say his timing is off as his arm is shot and would be justified by the results. I just don't make unfounded statements and wait for the evidence to prove it.

Feel free to stalk me to other threads.

[CRA]

Hardly. Then it would be from a credible source and I would agree with you then. Until that time reports from the doctors, coaches, trainers etc were that things were successful. So far this season I have seen nothing in his arm strength to refute that because it isn't there.

The burden of proof that is arm is shot is on those making the statements and interceptions are hardly definitive. Neither are underthrown balls when he has overthrown just as many. It is just as easy to say his timing is off as his arm is shot and would be justified by the results. I just don't make unfounded statements and wait for the evidence to prove it.

Feel free to stalk me to other threads.

Wow! You can really tell you know your arguements on Jake are weak. So now I am stalking you? Again, that is just a key signal of someone who knows there arguments is weak that they resort to lame stuff such as that.

No worries. If that is the kinda of stuff you have to resort to when people disagree with your opinion I will no longer reply to your posts. Good day, lol.

[panthers55]

Wow! You can really tell you know your arguements on Jake are weak. So now I am stalking you? Again, that is just a key signal of someone who knows there arguments is weak that they resort to lame stuff such as that.

No worries. If that is the kinda of stuff you have to resort to when people disagree with your opinion I will no longer reply to your posts. Good day, lol.

And i have no problem with disagreements as long as they are fact based and logical. Both things missing in your posts. What I see are unfounded opinions and speculation with no fact to support them.

As for you not stalking me or responding, lets see. You yourself said you like to argue. Can't see you stopping now.

[MurkN]

Once Jake finally completes a deep ball to someone that isn't on the opposing team, we can all let out a collective sigh of relief.

[PuntJake]

Once Jake finally completes a deep ball to someone that isn't on the opposing team, we can all let out a collective sigh of relief.

hey MURKN, your sig image is the type of coverage jake throws into.

[raleigh-panther]

Do you guys ever watch the games. When he is throwing deep most of the time he is under pressure and is throwing the ball much sooner than he would like. The ball is lofting because he has to throw off his back foot which naturally makes the ball drift. Why is he throwing off his back foot? He can't step up in the pocket because all the pressure is coming up the middle.

So what does he do? Lofts the ball up and makes sure it isn't underthrown so if Smitty or Moose don't catch no one else does. He tried the comeback route and underthrown over the shoulder passes which worked in year's past. So far they have resulted in interceptions. Frankly I don't blame him.

No offense, but Delhomme does not help his O-line, not at all.

He is extreme slow getting out from under center, slow in making decisions, not mobile, and very seldom will he step UP in the pocket, or move around to buy time IN the pocket. Under pressure, Delhomme, stumbles, bumbles, and fumbles. The original poster has a valid point, he does not throw the ball with velocity, and all those floaters do is give the defense backs a chance to go for the same ball. Its just insanity, sometimes those passes look like punts.

I like Jake, everyone does, I think; but, not as a starting NFL QB, not any more. A NFL QB who turns the ball over 1 in every 13 attemtps, that dog won't hunt, he should be on the bench.

In the NFL, as best I can tell, what a player did one year ago, or two years ago, or 5 years ago does not matter. Its a game of the 'now' and in this 'now' Jake Delhomme is done, and it really does not matter if its his 'head', his 'tommy john surgery', whatever it is, he does not have it anymore.

Will Fox stick with him, of course he will, as he truly has no viable option behind Delhomme. Fox and the front office put themselves in this position and no one else by neglecting, for years, the most important position on the field. It will ultimately cost them both their jobs at the end of the year. Why, just as Fox does not value Strong Safeties, or TEs, he does not value QBs. Fox is still stuck in the 90s and the NFL has moved past him.

Do I hope I'm wrong, damn right I do. I, like everyone else wants this team to do well, for Jake to be Jake of 2003, for the Jake and Smitty jump ball to tear the league up again. I also want to be 30 again, and that ain't happening either.

[Mr. Scot]

Hadn't noticed, but I'd like to take a look at clips of last year vs clips of this year to see if I detect any changes in throwing motion since Scherer took over.

[weyco2000]

I have one question, if you had a choice of QB's, who would you choose? Jake? LOL!!!

[panthers55]

No offense, but Delhomme does not help his O-line, not at all.

He is extreme slow getting out from under center, slow in making decisions, not mobile, and very seldom will he step UP in the pocket, or move around to buy time IN the pocket. Under pressure, Delhomme, stumbles, bumbles, and fumbles. The original poster has a valid point, he does not throw the ball with velocity, and all those floaters do is give the defense backs a chance to go for the same ball. Its just insanity, sometimes those passes look like punts.

I like Jake, everyone does, I think; but, not as a starting NFL QB, not any more. A NFL QB who turns the ball over 1 in every 13 attemtps, that dog won't hunt, he should be on the bench.

In the NFL, as best I can tell, what a player did one year ago, or two years ago, or 5 years ago does not matter. Its a game of the 'now' and in this 'now' Jake Delhomme is done, and it really does not matter if its his 'head', his 'tommy john surgery', whatever it is, he does not have it anymore.

Will Fox stick with him, of course he will, as he truly has no viable option behind Delhomme. Fox and the front office put themselves in this position and no one else by neglecting, for years, the most important position on the field. It will ultimately cost them both their jobs at the end of the year. Why, just as Fox does not value Strong Safeties, or TEs, he does not value QBs. Fox is still stuck in the 90s and the NFL has moved past him.

Do I hope I'm wrong, damn right I do. I, like everyone else wants this team to do well, for Jake to be Jake of 2003, for the Jake and Smitty jump ball to tear the league up again. I also want to be 30 again, and that ain't happening either.

Scherer actually worked with Jake alot in camp on moving within the pocket and sliding over to buy more time. That assumes that there is a pocket and he can step up. Frankly I haven't seen much of a pocket to step into. He was rattled against Philly and I am not sure he has recovered. But the line hasn't given him nearly the time or protection it did last year. They work hand in hand not in opposition.

Fox was right in saying that the whole offense has played poorly. Folks like you say you like Jake but I couldn't tell. Instead of a balanced approach which acknowledges that Jake has been poor but so has the line and receivers, you proclaim he is done and it is all his fault. You sound like a hater to me. For the record, a hater I define as someone with no perspective who sees things one sided and has no balance in his approach. They decide for example that Jake is the problem and all their posts shape information to fit that initial premise rather than evaluating new information and shaping their premise on all the facts.

For example I readily acknowledge that Jake has played poorly in several games and has made poor decisions. I readily admit that he doesn't make good decisions when pressured and often takes unnecessary risks in order to make a play. His competitive nature sometimes is his worst enemy. But I am not convinced he is done. I have seen too many examples of guys who went through rough times like Kurt Warner for example only to emerge years later and play at a high level. Time will tell and I could be wrong. I just don't jump to hasty conclusions or decisions ( a fault that jake does as well).

[GSO_Pantherz]

I'm not sure why some people here are defending Jake's deep ball. He's NEVER had exceptional arm strength (average at best). This year is no different, he pretty much has to rainbow deep balls to get them down the field, unlike a stronger armed qb who can put less arch on deep balls. End of discussion.

[panthers55]

I'm not sure why some people here are defending Jake's deep ball. He's NEVER had exceptional arm strength (average at best). This year is no different, he pretty much has to rainbow deep balls to get them down the field, unlike a stronger armed qb who can put less arch on deep balls. End of discussion.

That coincided with his initial injury to his elbow in 2005. If you look in 2003 and 2004 he actually did throw a pretty good deep ball. After the injury he had to loft it up to get the distance on it,and started throwing the underthrown over the outside shoulder ball which everyone has caught on to. Since then it only got worst.

[koolkatluke]

I notice I get a sick feeling in the pit of my gut. I hate feeling like that.