Panthers with 3 safeties on roster, promote a 6th CB

[CarolinaSamurai]

2 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

I’d say that’s pretty normal for four years of drafting for any team. I think dg ran this team better than anyone we’ve had in the past but he really fuged up with josh and Matt. I can kind of understand the Matt signing because we had fuging nobody for left tackle and the league is just dry for talented tackles. Moton looks like a home run pick. I don’t think he fuged this team up though. What he inherited was a fuged up team. He left us in decent shape.

No Atlanta - 20, Eagles - 16, Tampa - 18, Steelers 22. 

I could go on but no it is not common to have only 11 players still on the roster with 5 being from last year. stop making a claim that isn't true. DG did very little for us outside of fixing the cap. His drafting was bad, his free agents are bad. He was a bad GM and brought his bad with him to NY except they don't have Cam to save them there. Hurneys drafts set us up to win in gmans tenure. Don't look at him with Rose colored glasses. He did one thing well and that's it.

[TheRumGone]

11 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

No Atlanta - 20, Eagles - 16, Tampa - 18, Steelers 22. 

I could go on but no it is not common to have only 11 players still on the roster with 5 being from last year. stop making a claim that isn't true. DG did very little for us outside of fixing the cap. His drafting was bad, his free agents are bad. He was a bad GM and brought his bad with him to NY except they don't have Cam to save them there. Hurneys drafts set us up to win in gmans tenure. Don't look at him with Rose colored glasses. He did one thing well and that's it.

That’s four teams, keep naming them. How many eagles players were from last year? How many of those teams have as many established players on their rosters?Breakdown what those players are doing for their teams. Are they PS players? Are they depth? Are they starters? There are tons of variables that go into each teams roster spots but you would see overall the draft is a crapshoot. I’m not saying dg was fuging amazing but he was not horrible. And he was the best gm we’ve had.

Do not talk down to me like a child. I was respectful to you. I realize the huddle can put people on edge but chill out.

[ickmule]

9-7 is now looking like a long shot.  

[pantherclaw]

Yes, the team ignores the position. 

Lol

[CarolinaSamurai]

57 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

That’s four teams, keep naming them. How many eagles players were from last year? How many of those teams have as many established players on their rosters?Breakdown what those players are doing for their teams. Are they PS players? Are they depth? Are they starters? There are tons of variables that go into each teams roster spots but you would see overall the draft is a crapshoot. I’m not saying dg was fuging amazing but he was not horrible. And he was the best gm we’ve had.

Do not talk down to me like a child. I was respectful to you. I realize the huddle can put people on edge but chill out.

I'm not talking down to you I'm saying don't make a claim that isn't true. The most common teams that have high turnovers of rosters and don't keep draft picks are losing teams. Most winning clubs build through the draft and that requires hitting many picks that stay on your roster. When you say that it's normal to have a low roster from his drafts I'm saying that's not true. Not opinion just isn't true. 

If you think he's a good GM for what he did that's fine. I disagree he was bad at drafting, signing free agents, and keeping talent. He was good at fixing the cap, getting helpful UDFA, and spending less. To me the thing he was bad at was more important than the ones he was good at. 

[TheRumGone]

4 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I'm not talking down to you I'm saying don't make a claim that isn't true. The most common teams that have high turnovers of rosters and don't keep draft picks are losing teams. Most winning clubs build through the draft and that requires hitting many picks that stay on your roster. When you say that it's normal to have a low roster from his drafts I'm saying that's not true. Not opinion just isn't true. 

If you think he's a good GM for what he did that's fine. I disagree he was bad at drafting, signing free agents, and keeping talent. He was good at fixing the cap, getting helpful UDFA, and spending less. To me the thing he was bad at was more important than the ones he was good at. 

So you didn’t answer my questions.

First of all we have 14 draft picks still on this team from 2013-2017. Three left in FA and got good money because they were good draft picks. One was traded. Several were cut prematurely by hurney like butker  and dae dae. So if we had retained those players we’d be looking at 20 draft picks still on the team. You can’t downplay 2017 when the talent he brought in looks to be a home run. 

Like I said before there are several factors you are leaving out to try and make your point. Now go to those players in the four teams you mentioned and look at each one from 2013-2017 and tell me which players are worth a damn. Who cares if they are still on the team if they are riding the bench not playing at all or if they’re on the PS.

[GoPanthers123]

On another year I would be concerned but Tepper is not an absentee owner.   He will clean house if stupidity gets out of hand.   So there, let coaches decide because there is the man who keeps their butt in line.  

[Icege]

13 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I'm not talking down to you I'm saying don't make a claim that isn't true. The most common teams that have high turnovers of rosters and don't keep draft picks are losing teams. Most winning clubs build through the draft and that requires hitting many picks that stay on your roster. When you say that it's normal to have a low roster from his drafts I'm saying that's not true. Not opinion just isn't true. 

If you think he's a good GM for what he did that's fine. I disagree he was bad at drafting, signing free agents, and keeping talent. He was good at fixing the cap, getting helpful UDFA, and spending less. To me the thing he was bad at was more important than the ones he was good at. 

You're arbitrarily naming how many draft picks are left on the rosters without looking at how many draft picks were even spent.

Gettleman drafted 28 players, 14 of which are on the Panthers roster. Those 22 Steelers players you mentioned came out of 48 draft picks. That would mean that 50% of Gettleman's draft picks remain on the roster while 45% remain on the Steelers, giving him a better hit rate. To add, that is 50% of his picks on a roster that has had Hurney at the helm to start 2 seasons.

7 of those 14 Panthers picks not on the team are still in the NFL. Of those 26 Steelers players, 11 remain in the league. Again, advantage to Gettleman here.

The data does not match your narrative. While Gettleman was far from perfect and made some brutally bad decisions (cutting JNo imo is still the biggest mistake he's made), he did oversee the franchise during it's most successful stretch of time and got us out of the cap hell that Hurney put us in.

[CPcavedweller]

21 hours ago, Shocker said:

Gotta think Tepper is looking at an entirely new coaching staff.  The leadership here is totally ridiculous right now.  That we have not made a move at safety is unacceptable.

Tepper is the leader of this ship. Anything that goes on is his fault and his fault alone. Hurney is responsible for roster decisions and other than having a solid draft, he is still subpar at making moves during the season.

However, reaching for depth players during the draft isn't how you roster build. Draft best player available for what you're trying to do, fill depth through free agency.

[Proudiddy]

If you ever wonder how our team shows up to some games, like the division opener, looking completely unprepared, well...  look at the coach and his roster moves.  We are unprepared.

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

So you didn’t answer my questions.

First of all we have 14 draft picks still on this team from 2013-2017. Three left in FA and got good money because they were good draft picks. One was traded. Several were cut prematurely by hurney like butker  and dae dae. So if we had retained those players we’d be looking at 20 draft picks still on the team. You can’t downplay 2017 when the talent he brought in looks to be a home run. 

Like I said before there are several factors you are leaving out to try and make your point. Now go to those players in the four teams you mentioned and look at each one from 2013-2017 and tell me which players are worth a damn. Who cares if they are still on the team if they are riding the bench not playing at all or if they’re on the PS.

I'd throw in the GM change itself is a factor, especially when you're talking about guys with different tastes.

Case in point: Rosters under Gettleman were tall. I remember looking down the roster a few years back (probably 2015) and finding there were only around half a dozen players who were under six feet.

Fast forward to this year, and I heard an announcer in week one mention that our curreny roster had more players under six feet than any team in the league. That's after one season.

You you have to look at all the factors.

[Ace_Aladdin]

Colin Jones is trash!

[Stricklerjosh]

Seriously it’s an embarrassment that he is our safety when there are so many decent safeties on the market. He is such garbage