Christian McCaffrey on record-setting pace ... as a receiver

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

So what your saying is that RBs running the ball and wearing down the defense is not same as RBs catching the ball & dinking /dunking. It doesn’t matter if they are chunk plays or not they stay committed to an actual run game that wore down Carolinas defense. It’s all about the # of attempts, they got lucky and got multiple 10 yds but even if they didn’t  getting 3-4 yards on those plays would have still  kept their offense on schedule. The real benefit was the ability to setup  PA and open the passing game for them something a tradition run game does.

CMC dump off game is not an equal substitution for a traditional  running game.

 

Running attempts: 

Falcons: 32

 Carolina: 18

Dude,.. F for the L

The Panthers lost a football game that was ugly in the middle and ended up being a completion away from over time. The defense did not get worn out by the limited running attempts by the falcons-- they were totally unprepared and inept at stopping the perimeter big chunk runs, and could not stop the spread passing attack.  We just have a very new and weak secondary-- and our preseason praised DLine got out maneuvered by the Falcons-- plain and simple.

I am sure the Panthers are talking about the 11 rushing attempts between CJ and CMac-- that never happens even in a pure WCO. 

As far as what you are saying about rushing vs short passing-- theres about 100 articles from everyone from Bill Walsh to Bill Belicheck that totally disagree with you about short passes being as effective as rushes for Ball control, clock management, bla bla bla.

Bottom line is many of the short passes to the receivers like Funchess, Ian Thomas, and even Wright were incomplete-- but should have been completed. 

Anyway-- the fact that you say that, and discount every article by every credible coach and expert that disagrees with you says you just want to be right with your thinking, discount any credible evidence against it as 'fluff", and are not worth the time to discuss with.

The Panthers throwing a lot of high percentage passes, and many articles out there discuss Air Coryell systems throwing short passes to set up vertical passes and later closing out games with the run,... a concept similar to WCO but less horizontal, are just as effective as runs---

AS long as the receivers catch the high percentage passes-- for one,... and of course there needs to be the vertical passing game to  coryell as well, which we havent seen much of yet.

Right now we look like a Coryell team running a WCO, a lot of horizontal and short over the middle throws, trying to create mismatches and misdirection.

The truth is the offense is still adjusting to a new coordinator that is trying to adjust to losing key personnel to start the season, and players who havent executed very well.

 

All of that has nothing to do with Atlanta-- they had a good game for big plays-- we sucked at making and stopping big plays-- and we lost.

 

Go read for awhile, watch some videos,.. type in key words like Run vs Short pass, WCO, and read whats up.  What you say sounds like some 1930s-- 

 

[JARROD]

34 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Are you sure you want to limit McC in that fashion? 1000 yards from the slot sounds good. And a lot of folks would be happy with that.

 

    Now here's the rub. What if we let him get say 800 yards rushing, and 800 yards receiving? Can you see where his value would go up based on the addition yards he brings to the table. 

 

    If you put McC in the slot. You are putting a limit on his effectiveness. 

For real. We didnt lose the game because CMac got 25 touches. We lost because the defense sucked and because the other offensive playmakers outside of Cam and Christian sucked for the most part until late in the second half.  

CJ and CMac should have gotten more than the 11 carries they got-- CJ most certainly should get more than 3,... for sure it would be better if CMac got the 8 carries and 15 passes but CJ got more like 10 carries and 5 passes-- but as many pointed out and we saw, CJ might be young Stewart running, but he doesnt seem to catch Cam's bullets like 2011 Stewart could(I never understood why this went away after Chud left-- Stewart proved he had hands that season, another topic).

Christian in the slot would take away the unpredictability of what hes going to do, and he would be much less effective.

[iamhubby1]

16 minutes ago, JARROD said:

For real. We didnt lose the game because CMac got 25 touches. We lost because the defense sucked and because the other offensive playmakers outside of Cam and Christian sucked for the most part until late in the second half.  

CJ and CMac should have gotten more than the 11 carries they got-- CJ most certainly should get more than 3,... for sure it would be better if CMac got the 8 carries and 15 passes but CJ got more like 10 carries and 5 passes-- but as many pointed out and we saw, CJ might be young Stewart running, but he doesnt seem to catch Cam's bullets like 2011 Stewart could(I never understood why this went away after Chud left-- Stewart proved he had hands that season, another topic).

Christian in the slot would take away the unpredictability of what hes going to do, and he would be much less effective.

 

    Yeah, I think most level headed folk would agree that McC needs to be a RB.

 

    Hey, I get that folks are bummed about the WR corp. right now. But man, leave the kid alone. He is a yardage machine. Why limit what he can do? 

 

    Would also like to add. It is unusual for a Rivera coached team to be making all these miscues. That was always one thing you could count on from a Rivera team. Disciplined hard nosed football. Obviously, that alt. game did not fit the mold. 

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Yeah, I think most level headed folk would agree that McC needs to be a RB.

 

    Hey, I get that folks are bummed about the WR corp. right now. But man, leave the kid alone. He is a yardage machine. Why limit what he can do? 

 

    Would also like to add. It is unusual for a Rivera coached team to be making all these miscues. That was always one thing you could count on from a Rivera team. Disciplined hard nosed football. Obviously, that alt. game did not fit the mold. 

CMac is definitely a running back, and a bad ass that can do 8 carries and catch 15 passes, incredible-- although CJ getting more than 3 carries would be good,... Im sure he will get much more going forward.

 

There is always a funk game in every season-- our 15 and 0 team had it when we went into Atlanta and had a funk game there,..

Im hoping this was THE funk game,... extended first 2 games really-- the Cowboys suck so we survived our funk there, but didn't with the Falcons.

People started catching touchdowns 7 minutes from halftime, almost 6 quarters into the season.  From there wide receivers instead of ONE running back started catching touchdowns,.. Jeez we had 3 different TD receivers including DJ, Torrey, and Wright,..

We had several 20+ yard big plays on DJs touchdown drive,.. And we were a false start and 31 yard endzone play from going to overtime.

People can say what they want,.. but also the 2nd half after Ryans touchdown we shut the Falcons down.  I watched it all again, the falcons didnt let up because we kept coming-- we just got better on both sides of the ball.

Im hoping that game woke up the team, woke up Norv to get the big plays going more early in the game,.. not abandon the run after the first drive(jeez we ran 4 carries on the first drive and zero on the second,...and the passes we did do were like one yarders), and limit the crazy penalties.  One drive we did the short passes effectively like runs, worked great until Torrey got a false start on a 3rd and 3 making 3rd and 8 followed by a nasty sack---

Again-- hopefully just a the funk we've had,.. Rons teams have always started slow and rusty anyway-- one of everyones yearly grumbles-- 

heres to smooth sailing--- killing the Bungles--- 

[xav8tor]

The mere fact that >80% of posters here can't figure out where CMC "should" be, and what he "might" do, isn't surprising, given the often insanely biased or uninformed opinions expressed.

However, the fact that opposing defenses don't know the answers to those questions either is a HUGE aspect of CMC's value. Having improved his run game quickly, similar to how Luke improved his coverage skills, 22 presents a unique threat. As a receiver, as I've said before, he's been coached by a pretty good WR himself since he could walk...and probably before that. I guarantee you that daddy was tossing a football shaped rattle at the kid when he was six months old.

Why try to pigeonhole CMC? That makes no sense. If it ain't broke don't fix it. We have actual problems that need to be addressed aggressively, but CMC isn't one of them. Keep it unpredictable: "It's that wheel route, it's that wheel route!" (Cut to shot of poo eating grins on CMC and Cam's faces). Make 'em guess and let them have to try to counter CMC by shifting FOUR or FIVE guys when he motions out (remember the Pats game last year?). Speaking of the Pats, we're on to Cincinnati!

[Mr. Scot]

41 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

The mere fact that >80% of posters here can't figure out where CMC "should" be, and what he "might" do, isn't surprising, given the often insanely biased or uninformed opinions expressed.

However, the fact that opposing defenses don't know the answers to those questions either is a HUGE aspect of CMC's value. Having improved his run game quickly, similar to how Luke improved his coverage skills, 22 presents a unique threat. As a receiver, as I've said before, he's been coached by a pretty good WR himself since he could walk...and probably before that. I guarantee you that daddy was tossing a football shaped rattle at the kid when he was six months old.

Why try to pigeonhole CMC? That makes no sense. If it ain't broke don't fix it. We have actual problems that need to be addressed aggressively, but CMC isn't one of them. Keep it unpredictable: "It's that wheel route, it's that wheel route!" (Cut to shot of poo eating grins on CMC and Cam's faces). Make 'em guess and let them have to try to counter CMC by shifting FOUR or FIVE guys when he motions out (remember the Pats game last year?). Speaking of the Pats, we're on to Cincinnati!

Pretty much, and a reminder of why this whole argument is utterly irrelevant.

A lot of people seem to subscribe to this false dichotomy that it somehow makes a huge difference whether you hand him the ball or toss it to him. The only place that matters is on the stat sheet.

On the field, I don't care if you hand it to him, pitch it to him, toss it to him, flick it to him, chuck it to him, zip it to him, ...hell, email it to him if you can find a way to do that.

The point is, no matter how it's delivered, he gets the ball and runs with it. I can't recall a single damn game where we won and I found myself thinking afterward, I wish we would have run more or passed more differently. We want a game by hiking it to DeAngelo Williams to keep it out of the hands of Chris Weinke. Weird, but so what? It worked.

"Oh, but he's not a runningback." Who gives a flying rat's ass what you call him?  The official roster says he's a runningback. Thus, that's what he is. call him something else if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't really change anything and it ultimately only matters to the person saying it.

Bottom Line: McCaffrey produces yards and points and other things that help us win games. As long as he keeps doing so, that's all that matters. They could change his position designation to "cantaloupe" for all I care, just as long as we win.

[JARROD]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much, and a reminder of why this whole argument is utterly irrelevant.

A lot of people seem to subscribe to this false dichotomy that it somehow makes a huge difference whether you hand him the ball or toss it to him. The only place that matters is on the stat sheet.

On the field, I don't care if you hand it to him, pitch it to him, toss it to him, flick it to him, chuck it to him, zip it to him, ...hell, email it to him if you can find a way to do that.

The point is, no matter how it's delivered, he gets the ball and runs with it. I can't recall a single damn game where we won and I found myself thinking afterward, I wish we would have run more or passed more differently. We want a game by hiking it to DeAngelo Williams to keep it out of the hands of Chris Weinke. Weird, but so what? It worked.

"Oh, but he's not a runningback." Who gives a flying rat's ass what you call him?  The official roster says he's a runningback. Thus, that's what he is. call him something else if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't really change anything and it ultimately only matters to the person saying it.

Bottom Line: McCaffrey produces yards and points and other things that help us win games. As long as he keeps doing so, that's all that matters. They could change his position designation to "cantaloupe" for all I care, just as long as we win.

Well put,.. totally agree—

[Pantherxtreme]

There is no way lining Mccaffrey up as slot receiver and having him go up against corner and nickel-backs is more advantageous to the Panthers offense than having him iso against linebackers and safeties in the box. Good thing a lot of you guys aren't coaches.

[Mvp2014]

The best part is we are just scratching the surface with McCaffrey . Between cmc and Moore we have many good times ahead

[t96]

It’s the bye week, this needed a bump...

[bigdavis]

15 minutes ago, t96 said:

It’s the bye week, this needed a bump...

HAHA, you're right.  If only for a few fine folk to go back, see what they wrote, and maybe revise their thinking a tad.

[pantherclaw]

On 9/18/2018 at 9:44 AM, KaseKlosed said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The No. 8 overall pick of the 2017 draft put on a show with his route running, whether he lined up in the backfield, in the slot or at wideout. With 20 catches in two games, he has put himself on pace to obliterate the NFL's single-season record for receptions by a running back. Matt Forte had 102 for the Chicago Bears in 2014.

Though it isn't realistic to think McCaffrey will average 10 catches a game, he is on pace for 160 total.

"Oh, he's a nightmare," Carolina strong safety Mike Adams said. "A guy that can run the routes, run the ball and catch, you're just not used to that."

 

And there's no reason to think it can't continue.

McCaffrey has 40.8 percent of his team's receptions, which is the highest rate by a running back through the first two games since 2001 when the league began keeping these stats. The previous high was 38.1 percent by Domanick Williams for the 2004 Texans.

 

I believe we are NOW aware that CMC is not a running back but a slot WR who lines up in the backfield =) 

 

When Reality Strikes.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/30659/panthers-christian-mccaffrey-on-record-setting-pace-as-a-receiver

 

 

He's a playmaker. 

He's able to run, and catch. 

Why the hardon on labeling him?

[Hoenheim]

I know CMC got a lot of carries last game but I was still surprised to see him only get targeted like 2 times after he caught 14 balls in the previous contest. 

 

[JakeDel5674]

14 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I know CMC got a lot of carries last game but I was still surprised to see him only get targeted like 2 times after he caught 14 balls in the previous contest. 

 

Seems like Norv was dictating what the Defense was giving us. So, meh.