The most disappointing thing about Sunday was the offense's reaction to the headshot on Cam

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Find a single YouTube video of a quarterback taking a killshot that didn't lead to retaliation from his teammates to the guy that did it. 

 I realize it is part of the code--do you think the Falcons are thinking, "Boy, we need to make sure that we do not hit Cam like that again--don't want Torrey Smith coming after us!"  Or do you think they are more concerned about the penalty (before it was offset) and the ejection?  Composure and cool heads wins games.  When I played, I was able to draw penalties from those renegades who did not understand--who thought they could use macho emotional tantrums on the field.  I provoked them.  I was not afraid of what they would do--I was afraid of doing something dumb to cost my team a win.  I was afraid that the ref would flag me and the coach would pull me out of the game.  Reason?  I did something unnecessary to hurt the team's chances of winning.  Penalties do that.

[rico6]

11 minutes ago, falconidae said:

So, does Kazee apologizing help any with the Panther fans? 

Regardless of any apologies, it was done and over with within 5-10 minutes within game time. My beef is with the “fans” trying to act unbiased about the hit and actively trying to defend Kazee’s hit.

Which is heinous but not to be unexpected.

[wud35]

18 minutes ago, falconidae said:

So, does Kazee apologizing help any with the Panther fans? 

Honestly, to me personally, no.  but if from the heart maybe. let me explain. I'm what a lot of people call an "asshole" I personally don't believe in saying I'm sorry. 99% of the time you meant to do what you did and the " apology" is a way to excuse what you did. You should never do something you would be sorry for in the first place. Now of course there are exceptions to this and its not 100%. There are accidents that happen out of our control but still our responsibility because of our actions. His action was a late hit. I'm not sure of his intent, if he meant to do it, just got excited and carry away, no one knows for sure but him. so basically is he sorry because it happened or because he got caught?  

 

Sorry about the long babbling and if this just sounded stupid. I'm on some good pain meds right now. 

[*FreeFua*]

51 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Refs and coaches hold other players accountable.  Vigilante justice only hurts your team, not the other team.  Nobody on any other team determined how I would act on the field. They did not intimidate me or motivate me in any way.  The only thing that matters is the scoreboard, and if you hurt your team's ability to score, you are a liability--it makes no matter how violated you feel.   Chest pounding and macho finger pointing do not show up in the stat sheets--except in the penalty column.  Football is a game based on military (offense, defense, lines, bombs, bullets, etc)--where discipline is preached above all else. You may not like seeing your buddy get shot, but if you lose your composure and the remaining members of your platoon are put at a disadvantage as a result, you have done nothing but show your arse.

Again, we’ll just have to disagree on this one. I’m not saying to do this every time someone gets hit but when it’s your “guy” you MUST hold that other guy accountable or hit their “guy”. 

I know you’ve played sports so I’m surprised you see this the way you do.

Like I said before 15 yards, 5 minute major or whatever is a small price to pay when it comes to keeping the guy who carries your team safe. 

Someone I know playing in the NHL is literally employed to keep certain guys clean.

[*FreeFua*]

37 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 I realize it is part of the code--do you think the Falcons are thinking, "Boy, we need to make sure that we do not hit Cam like that again--don't want Torrey Smith coming after us!"  Or do you think they are more concerned about the penalty (before it was offset) and the ejection?  Composure and cool heads wins games.  When I played, I was able to draw penalties from those renegades who did not understand--who thought they could use macho emotional tantrums on the field.  I provoked them.  I was not afraid of what they would do--I was afraid of doing something dumb to cost my team a win.  I was afraid that the ref would flag me and the coach would pull me out of the game.  Reason?  I did something unnecessary to hurt the team's chances of winning.  Penalties do that.

After reading this maybe we’re talking about two different type scenario’s. I’m just speaking about keeping your star player safe. 

Other than that yeah, take advantage of the dudes that can’t keep a cool head. I love watching guys like Jalen Ramsay and Josh Norman provoke some of the WR’s into dumb penalties. Sports are just as mental as they are physical, you can literally beat someone up so mentally bad that you know the physical part is done before it even starts.

[dpm0409]

14 hours ago, falconidae said:

Oh come on, lots of falcons fans were saying it was dirty and he deserved the ejection and the fine.

Smith was specifically not ejected because he was retaliating. Official said that as he was explaining what was going on. 

Not the ones I'm friends with that I either grew up with or went to high school or college with! 

More than 1 person said something along the lines of "You defending that hit is awful.  Like makes me lose respect for you awful."  Other Panthers fans chimed in saying that if one of our defensive players hit Matt Ryan (or any QB for that matter) that we would not be defending it.

[Sasquatch]

2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Like I said before 15 yards, 5 minute major or whatever is a small price to pay when it comes to keeping the guy who carries your team safe. 

You're not keeping him safe. You would have done that by making the blocks. If he's already on the ground, you're just retaliating pure and simple, and possibly hurting your own team more.

[*FreeFua*]

25 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

You're not keeping him safe. You would have done that by making the blocks. If he's already on the ground, you're just retaliating pure and simple, and possibly hurting your own team more.

The tone needs to be set and a point needs to be made. You hit our “guy” we’re coming after you. Like I said before, maybe if these pussies did something a long ass time ago we wouldn’t still be talking about these type of things

[Sam Mills Fan]

3 hours ago, Sasquatch said:

You sound like you think that's difficult

 

Only watched the first few. Flacco's lineman protected him immediately. The first QB hit happened way in the backfield where I don't even think it was helmet to helmet and none of his teammates were in a location to see it. The third example were...the Browns. Now that's a team you definitely want to emulate.

[Sam Mills Fan]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

 I realize it is part of the code--do you think the Falcons are thinking, "Boy, we need to make sure that we do not hit Cam like that again--don't want Torrey Smith coming after us!"  Or do you think they are more concerned about the penalty (before it was offset) and the ejection?  Composure and cool heads wins games.  When I played, I was able to draw penalties from those renegades who did not understand--who thought they could use macho emotional tantrums on the field.  I provoked them.  I was not afraid of what they would do--I was afraid of doing something dumb to cost my team a win.  I was afraid that the ref would flag me and the coach would pull me out of the game.  Reason?  I did something unnecessary to hurt the team's chances of winning.  Penalties do that.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. If you or Josh Norman or Steve Smith is jawing at someone to try to bait them into retaliating, good job. If Dez Bryant or Aqib Talib retaliates because of *verbal* taunts, they're acting stupid and need to be shamed. But if someone hits your quarterback in a ridiculously reckless way that could have severely concussed him if it was hit only slightly differently, THAT deserves an immediate physical response. Torrey Smith did his job and good for him. You'll notice his snap count didn't decrease after that play.

If you don't respond to something that egregious and violent, the other team sees that as a go-ahead to keep doing it. Think back to the 2016 opener against Denver. Cam took killshot after killshot and nobody was stepping in to put those thugs on their asses. So they kept escalating and kept escalating. They saw how soft we were, so they intentionally tried to injure Cam to get him out of the game. There was no disadvantage in doing so.

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

If you don't respond to something that egregious and violent, the other team sees that as a go-ahead to keep doing it. Think back to the 2016 opener against Denver. Cam took killshot after killshot and nobody was stepping in to put those thugs on their asses. So they kept escalating and kept escalating. They saw how soft we were, so they intentionally tried to injure Cam to get him out of the game. There was no disadvantage in doing so.

^^^

[Sasquatch]

4 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

f you don't respond to something that egregious and violent, the other team sees that as a go-ahead to keep doing it. Think back to the 2016 opener against Denver. Cam took killshot after killshot and nobody was stepping in to put those thugs on their asses. So they kept escalating and kept escalating. They saw how soft we were, so they intentionally tried to injure Cam to get him out of the game. There was no disadvantage in doing so.

DO YOUR FARGING JOB AND KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING. IF YOUR QB IS CONCUSSED AND OUT OF THE GAME, YOU'RE ALREADY IN TROUBLE. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO GIVE AWAY YARDAGE 15 AT A POP.

If the officials are calling the game in a way that allows that play, you certainly should adapt to it.

[*FreeFua*]

7 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

DO YOUR FARGING JOB AND KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING. IF YOUR QB IS CONCUSSED AND OUT OF THE GAME, YOU'RE ALREADY IN TROUBLE. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO GIVE AWAY YARDAGE 15 AT A POP.

If the officials are calling the game in a way that allows that play, you certainly should adapt to it.

^

Pussy. Wait actually... Devin is that you?

[Sasquatch]

16 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Only watched the first few. Flacco's lineman protected him immediately. The first QB hit happened way in the backfield where I don't even think it was helmet to helmet and none of his teammates were in a location to see it. The third example were...the Browns. Now that's a team you definitely want to emulate.

Your challenge was "Find a single YouTube video of a quarterback taking a killshot that didn't lead to retaliation from his teammates to the guy that did it." No mention of disregarding some teams etc. Like I said, you made that challenge like it would be difficult. It was the first video my search returned.

There are a few on that video. The first mentions the Texans bench coming on the field of play but taking no action for back to back roughing penalties.