Do you think the Panthers will pick up Vernon Butler's 5th year option

[Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands]

2 hours ago, The Natural said:

It's amazing just how poorly Gettleman drafted. 

I think his ego took over after his first draft.  He hit home runs with Short and Turner, Star looked really good his 1st year until his play gradually declined.  Benwikere looked like he was going to be a pretty good CB2 initially.

After that, he thought he could just drum up another Josh Norman in the draft, waste 1st rounders on luxury picks b/c he could just fill in the gaps elsewhere, and trade up b/c he overvalued his scouting and undervalued the luck involved w/ the process

[Icege]

ITT I get to find out who doesn't know poo about football

[Khyber53]

Big Vern appears to just be... big. If he were on any other team, we wouldn't even notice him rotating into the game. He's not terrible, but he's not a guy that gives you anything that an off the street FA DT could. 

For the draft position, the roster spot and the cast of defenders surrounding him, you'd just have to expect more. He's been lackluster and you've got to ask, "Would you rather just have two Kyle Loves than Kyle and Vern?" At least Love seems motivated to be on the field. 

DT isn't even close to a worry for the team, but I just coudn't see, at this point, making much of an effort to get that extra year on the rookie contract. If he doesn't somehow catch fire before season's end, I'd probably let him go.

 

[Icege]

I wish I had the selective memory and desperation to cling to the narrative that some of these posters have.

Good Lord. With the way some of y'all are talking, I'd imagine that your mommas didn't give birth to you + provided structure & success despite being broke, but instead according to some was just an egomaniac that kept whiffing on draft picks.

Though in some of y'alls defense, there are times I wish that my mom had spent money in free agency instead of drafting one of my brothers. :P

[SOJA]

People on this board act like David Gettleman was all bad and conveniently forget all of his home run draft picks, free agent signings, and the fact we had some of the most successful years in franchise history under his tenure. 

 

Was he perfect? Of course not. But yall act like Butler was a projected 6th rounder we drafted in the first. Dude was projected to go as high as 12-14 that draft. He has talent. Vernon just hasn't put in the work to be better. That's really not on Gettleman

Now you can certainly, and should argue, that DT was not a position of need at the time and there were other picks we could have made. 

But I'm betting 99% of you that didn't want Butler wanted Derrick Henry (jury far still out on him- definitely doesn't fit the mold of the modern day back and a back Cam needs, see CMC) or Hunter Henry (admittedly pretty good, but has been injured a lot)

[DeAngelo Beason]

Hell no.

[trueblade]

55 minutes ago, SOJA said:

 and the fact we had some of the most successful years in franchise history under his tenure.

Thanks largely to two generational talents in Luke and Cam, neither of which he drafted. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands said:

I think his ego took over after his first draft.  He hit home runs with Short and Turner, Star looked really good his 1st year until his play gradually declined.  Benwikere looked like he was going to be a pretty good CB2 initially.

After that, he thought he could just drum up another Josh Norman in the draft, waste 1st rounders on luxury picks b/c he could just fill in the gaps elsewhere, and trade up b/c he overvalued his scouting and undervalued the luck involved w/ the process

I think there's a lot of truth in this. Early on, his draft picks performed really well and his bargain basement veteran free agent acquisitions were pretty much perfect

 Then, well... not so much.

[CPcavedweller]

On the call for a horse collar tackle, he was held at the line and managed catch up to the running back still. One of about 10 missed holding calls I saw on Sunday. 

[SOJA]

36 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Thanks largely to two generational talents in Luke and Cam, neither of which he drafted. 

And the rest was due to filling out the roster cheaply with great players despite being in cap hell and hitting on multiple Pro Bowl players in the draft 

 

Further, we had Cam and Luke before Gettleman got here and we were still widely inconsistent and bad enough that JR had to fire his good buddy Hurney. But this isn't a Hurney vs. Gettleman argument. The argument is that people are lambasting Gettleman for Vernon Butler not panning out. First off: even the best GM in the world has misses. No one is perfect. Second, to act like Gettleman was all bad is silly, and simply incorrect. 

 

[Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands]

5 hours ago, Icege said:

I wish I had the selective memory and desperation to cling to the narrative that some of these posters have.

Good Lord. With the way some of y'all are talking, I'd imagine that your mommas didn't give birth to you + provided structure & success despite being broke, but instead according to some was just an egomaniac that kept whiffing on draft picks.

Though in some of y'alls defense, there are times I wish that my mom had spent money in free agency instead of drafting one of my brothers. :P

I didn't follow much in this post or straw-man argument, but I will tell you Dave did good things here.  It was seemingly his ego that clashed with Jerry's ego and there wasn't enough room in the building for both of them.

[The Natural]

50 minutes ago, SOJA said:

And the rest was due to filling out the roster cheaply with great players despite being in cap hell and hitting on multiple Pro Bowl players in the draft 

 

Further, we had Cam and Luke before Gettleman got here and we were still widely inconsistent and bad enough that JR had to fire his good buddy Hurney. But this isn't a Hurney vs. Gettleman argument. The argument is that people are lambasting Gettleman for Vernon Butler not panning out. First off: even the best GM in the world has misses. No one is perfect. Second, to act like Gettleman was all bad is silly, and simply incorrect. 

 

CMC is the only player that's playing at a level worthy of the first round pick spent on them. One out of five..... That's awful. 

[SOJA]

9 minutes ago, The Natural said:

CMC is the only player that's playing at a level worthy of the first round pick spent on them. One out of five..... That's awful. 

Draft is deeper than one round bud

KK, Trai, Bradberry, Samuel, Moton, Klein, Daryl Williams, Funch, Armah, Butker 

All of those guys are solid NFL players to studs 

[SOJA]

20 minutes ago, Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands said:

I didn't follow much in this post or straw-man argument, but I will tell you Dave did good things here.  It was seemingly his ego that clashed with Jerry's ego and there wasn't enough room in the building for both of them.

agreed, def think Gettleman's ego got to him during his time here