Josh Gordon!

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I don’t see how this is a swing for the fences deal if it was just for a 5th. That’s low cost, high reward to get a game changing freak. And we’re not just talking a number machine, even tho he is. Dude is clutch in the 4th quarter of close games. 

Lots of things are more important than normal when you're trying to prove why you should keep your job.

9 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

The Eagles success is few and far between but since they have a rabid fan base in a sports city they've always been comfortable with potential moves like this. 

You also have to remember Roseman was knocked out of power for a while there (via the Chip Kelly disaster) and only recently got his power back.  Last year he acted like a guy with nothing to lose, and in a way he was.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

Byrd is done as soon as a viable option becomes available for punt returner. Torrey was insurance because Samuel and Byrd dealt with injuries last year and ironically both are out and it's only week 2.

Samuel is a special case but nonetheless he still isn't on the field 

Don't we already have a viable punt returner in DJ Moore?

(to be clear, I'm not a member of the Byrd Brigade; I'm just spitballing)

[*FreeFua*]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If he's genuinely that talented, his being available for that low a price makes me think there's a reason.

I've actually pondered whether or not it would be worth the risk to Marty Hurney. If you know this is your audition year, a move like this could be seen as a "swing for the fences".

Of course if it bombs and the owner was on the fence as to whether he wanted to keep you or not, you probably need to minimize anything that might tip the scales in the wrong direction.

Would Hurney have made a move like this if he were more secure in his position? 

I see what you’re saying with the “don’t rock the boat” mentality.

So instead Hurney stays par for the course, hopes to reel in another playoff season (early exit don’t matter to him) and hopes that’s good enough to keep his job.

Don’t bring any negative press or anything like that. Bank on Tepper being ok with just playoffs. I haven’t made my mind up on Tepper yet and don’t know how serious he is about winning. Guess we’ll find out after this season.

[jumpman910]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Don't we already have a viable punt returner in DJ Moore?

(to be clear, I'm not a member of the Byrd Brigade; I'm just spitballing)

True, I meant strictly returner but when Rivera emphasized that Moore had return ability the day he was draft I knew that was only hurting Byrds stock 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I see what you’re saying with the “don’t rock the boat” mentality.

So instead Hurney stays par for the course, hopes to reel in another playoff season (early exit don’t matter to him) and hopes that’s good enough to keep his job.

Don’t bring any negative press or anything like that. Bank on Tepper being ok with just playoffs. I haven’t made my mind up on Tepper yet and don’t know how serious he is about winning. Maybe Hurney is doing the same thing and banking on him being “ok” with just playoffs 

I think that'd be a mistake, but the reality is we don't know.

On the one hand, you have David Tepper the a--hole, the guy who says all he cares about is winning. Mediocre isn't good enough for that guy, and expecting him to be just as lenient is Jerry Richardson wise is probably a mistake.

On the other, you've got the "Steeler Way" David Tepper who talks about how the Steelers practice patience.  That guy might be willing to give second, third, or fourth chances if he thinks he's seeing progress.

Which one is he really? I don't think we're going to know until this offseason. The one thing that does come to mind is that he was confirmed to be one of the guys who was pushing the Steelers to dump Mike Tomlin.

It's a valid question: If you're not satisfied with Mike Tomlin's success, how do you justify keeping Ron Rivera?

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

True, I meant strictly returner but when Rivera emphasized that Moore had return ability the day he was draft I knew that was only hurting Byrds stock 

Byrd to me has been one of those guys about whom you find yourself saying "this is his year", but then it isn't. So you say "okay, next year is his year". The question then becomes how many times you're willing to say that.

I think you also have to ask how long he has to be successful to justify the investment. If Byrd has one and only one good season, can you really say that the previous several years spent on him were worth it?

[*FreeFua*]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think that'd be a mistake, but the reality is we don't know.

On the one hand, you have David Tepper the a--hole, the guy who says all he cares about is winning. Mediocre isn't good enough for that guy, and expecting him to be just as lenient is Jerry Richardson wise is probably a mistake.

On the other, you've got the "Steeler Way" David Tepper who talks about how the Steelers practice patience.  That guy might be willing to give second, third, or fourth chances if he thinks he's seeing progress.

Which one is he really? I don't think we're going to know until this offseason. The one thing that does come to mind is that he was confirmed to be one of the guys who was pushing the Steelers to dump Mike Tomlin.

It's a valid question: If you're not satisfied with Mike Tomlin's success, how do you justify keeping Ron Rivera?

Yep...

It’ll be interesting and that’s why I haven’t really spoke much on Tepper because we won’t really know much until this offseason. 

Like you said there’s two sides of the coin to look at with him and of course most owners are going to talk about winning and yada yada yada but that doesn’t mean a whole lot (actions speak louder than words). 

But if he was indeed pushing the Steelers to dump Tomlin then I have no idea how he will justify keeping Rivera. I’d have to think at the very least, it’s an appearance in the NFCCG or bust

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yep...

It’ll be interesting and that’s why I haven’t really spoke much on Tepper because we won’t really know much until this offseason. 

Like you said there’s two sides of the coin to look at with him and of course most owners are going to talk about winning and yada yada yada but that doesn’t mean a whole lot (actions speak louder than words). 

But if he was indeed pushing the Steelers to dump Tomlin then I have no idea how he will justify keeping Rivera. I’d have to think at the very least, it’s an appearance in the NFCCG or bust

I remember reading (probably from Ed Bouchette) that he was one of the guys, so yeah.

On that topic though, one thing I think is worth pointing out here...

A lot of people are assuming that David Tepper would have signed off on this. The reality is we don't actually know that either.

Bill Voth stated a while back that he didn't really expect the Panthers approach to players with character issues to change very much under Tepper.  We haven't had any true "defining moments" on that front, but at least so far, it hasn't.

It's still up in the air, but the possibility exists that people expecting Tepper to suddenly turn the Panthers into the Raiders could wind up being disappointed.

[tondi]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think that'd be a mistake, but the reality is we don't know.

On the one hand, you have David Tepper the a--hole, the guy who says all he cares about is winning. Mediocre isn't good enough for that guy, and expecting him to be just as lenient is Jerry Richardson wise is probably a mistake.

On the other, you've got the "Steeler Way" David Tepper who talks about how the Steelers practice patience.  That guy might be willing to give second, third, or fourth chances if he thinks he's seeing progress.

Which one is he really? I don't think we're going to know until this offseason. The one thing that does come to mind is that he was confirmed to be one of the guys who was pushing the Steelers to dump Mike Tomlin.

It's a valid question: If you're not satisfied with Mike Tomlin's success, how do you justify keeping Ron Rivera?

Tepper is still in the honeymoon phase where hes a rotbarsch test of whatever you want an owner to be.  Strict, lenient, patient, impatient, liberal, conservative, etc.   I give it less than a year until he starts making enemies, unless he immediately turns us into a SB winner, of course. 

[pantherclaw]

14 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

I read 3rd round pick, dependable, and Josh Gordon in the same sentence. 

 

@pantherclaw, remember what you said about my thread? Care to chime in?

What exactly do you expect me to say besides what I already have?

[Toomers]

3 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yep...

It’ll be interesting and that’s why I haven’t really spoke much on Tepper because we won’t really know much until this offseason. 

Like you said there’s two sides of the coin to look at with him and of course most owners are going to talk about winning and yada yada yada but that doesn’t mean a whole lot (actions speak louder than words). 

But if he was indeed pushing the Steelers to dump Tomlin then I have no idea how he will justify keeping Rivera. I’d have to think at the very least, it’s an appearance in the NFCCG or bust

Since 2011.

  Tomlin: 73-39

  Rivera: 64- 47-1 

Looks like Tomlin is much better until you factor in that Rivera took over a 2-14 team with serious cap issues. Tomlin had his team already established by then. 2011 alone, accounts for 6 of those wins. And Rivera has been to a Super Bowl and went.  to the playoffs the same number of times as the Steelers since then. Plus 2 COY awards. Where is this large gap that would justify getting rid of Rivera just because Tepper may have thought about getting rid of Tomlin? 

[Panthers8969]

8 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

5th or 7th who the f*ck cares right?

Its not like we’d make use of either of these ones. Hell we rarely make use of our 3rd rounder, would’ve been fine shipping that to Cleveland.

How this is even a debate is mind blowing 

Oh no I agree with you. Mr Scott seemed pretty sure gordon will bust/ get suspended again so I was curious if he wanted to put his money where his mouth was. 

[Panthers8969]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The only question I'd have is if you sign him, what receiver do you cut to make room? We're not keeping seven.

I'm gonna assume Torrey Smith, but you may say otherwise.

Cut all of em, wouldn’t need anyone else 

[Borat]

**** the Pats. Can't believe they got arguably a top 10 receiver for a 5th round pick. Hope he rips chong (which should be both legal and allowed by the CBA, btw) and gets suspended until Brady's retirement.