Sign Eric Reid, Trade for Josh Gordon, Tepper needs to start evaluating Rivera's job...

[Proudiddy]

9 hours ago, Toomers said:

  So you’re not going to acknowledge the 3 HOFs that Tomlin has on offense, alone. Of course not. There are other good players in the NFL besides Cam and Luke. 

Lol.  Yes, those issues i brought up have affected them internally, and iirc, was the reason some of the minority owners were pushing to have Tomlin removed bc they felt he lost control over the locker room.  And if you want to point to his in-game playcalling, I haven't ever seen him make a call that wasn't aggressive, so their fanbase has no right to complain about what he does in-game.  We lose games because Ron coaches scared...  it's completely different. 

Then you said i didnt base my argument on numbers or facts or records, i then present the stats/numbers/records and you now move to "well, you gonna ignore the 3 HOF'ers he has right now?"  Good one.  

Ben is likely a HOFer but past his prime, but Bell and AB aren't yet because they don't have the longevity.  So, that argument is moot.  Cam and Luke, if they retired today, are in the HOF.  How many league MVPs are the Steelers fielding?  Cam is a former league MVP.  Luke is a former DPOY, DROY, multiple-time all-pro.  Again, the best player on each side of the ball in the entire league (Pep is also a HOFer, though now still on the backend of his career).  So, while yes, there are other players in the league aside from Cam and Luke, i keep invoking them for the reasons stated above...  they're the best at their respective position and on their respective side of the ball.  In regards to their output and production across the board and versatility, they are unmatched.  And even with that, Rivera is still a lesser coach according to records, both in the regular season and playoffs and still hasn't won a superbowl.

This argument has run its course.  If you want to keep your seat as the president of the Rivera fan club, then by all means...  have at it.  We just aren't going to agree.  I feel he's not a very good coach.  The end.

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Lol.  Yes, those issues i brought up have affected them internally, and iirc, wad the reason some of the minority owners were pushing to have Tomlin removed bc they felt he lost control over the locker room.  And if you want to point to his in-game playcalling, I haven't ever seen him make a call that wasn't aggressive, so their fanbase has no right to complain about what him.  We lose games because Ron coaches scared...  it's completely different. 

Then you said i didnt base my argument on numbers or facts or records, i then present the stats/numbers/records and you now move to "well, you gonna ignore the 3 HOF'ers he has right now?"  Good one.  

Ben is likely a HOFer but past his prime, but Bell and AB aren't yet because they don't have the longevity.  So, that argument is moot.  Cam and Luke, if they retired today, are in the HOF.  How many league MVPs are the Steelers fielding?  Cam is a former league MVP.  Luke is a former DPOY, DROY, multiple-time all-pro.  Again, the best player on each side of the ball in the entire league (Pep is also a HOFer, though now still on the backend of his career).  So, while yes, there are other players in the league aside from Cam and Luke, i keep invoking them for the reasons stated above...  they're the best at their respective position and on their respective side of the ball.  In regards to their output and production across the board and versatility, they are unmatched.  And even with that, Rivera is still a lesser coach according to records, both in the regular season and playoffs and still hasn't won a superbowl.

This argument has run its course.  If you want to keep your seat as the president of the Rivera fan club, then by all means...  have at it.  We just aren't going to agree.  I feel he's not a very good coach.  The end.

   The one, and only, reason anyone considered getting rid of Tomlin was playoff failures. Nothing else. 

   Cam has been the best player on his side of the ball for ONE season. A season we went 15-1. He is not the best offensive player in the NFL. That’s the “opinion” garbage that throws your whole point in the trash. Be realistic for once. 

  Tomlin has had Ben his entire career. And please explain how AB doesn’t have enough longevity but Cam could get in right now. Or Luke. Do you truly think having Cam is better than all three of those players? Are you seriously trying to say that Rivera has had better talent to work with? 

[Panthers8969]

11 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

All of our best receivers are injured or not playing (Moore, Byrd, Samuel).  Funchess and Smith suck.  They can't catch and they can't get open.

Searcy is not very good to begin with and after that concussion in the preseason, his brain is apparently now jello.

Rivera is an idiot, incapable of making adjustments or being aggressive unless his job is on the line.  I've had enough.  Part of the reason officials call our games the way they do is because they don't respect him as well...

I'm interested to see how Tepper handles this because this showing is unacceptable.

We easily make the sb with Reid and gordon. 2 pro bowlers of areas of need readily available and we do nothing? 

[Proudiddy]

3 hours ago, Toomers said:

  He also took over a team that just won a SB. Not a 2-14 salary cap disaster. And now you’re going to pretend to know anything about the Steelers. None of those off field issues has caused anything. Not keeping them all healthy has. A overrated DEF has been, and still is. 

  And can you explain how Tepper, allegedly, wanting Tomlin fired, makes Rivera a subpar coach. I mean, I know you don’t want to use facts or records or playoffs as a measure. But this is reaching. Poorly. 

 

 

Sorry, to be clear, which i wasn't there...  my point was, if Tepper was among the owners who wanted Tomlin gone, considering his record and comparing it with Rivera's, we could then deduce that if Tepper found Tomlin to be subpar based on his record, then he would also find Rivera to be subpar...  meanwhile, Tomlin still has a superior record and resume.

As to your other post, my claim of Cam being the best offensive player in all of pro football may have some opinion to it, but my point is, he is a former MVP, he touches the ball every snap, and he can pass or run (in ways no other QB can) - those are all facts.  Now considering those facts, would you rather have a former MVP, once recognized as the best player in all of pro football, with the ability to make a play with the ball every snap, or AB or Leveon Bell? Which is the bigger weapon?  Only one of those guys gets the ball every snap with a chance to impact the game.  That's why I say he is the best offensive player in the game, which is opinion, but grounded in the above facts.

But, removing opinion from it, my point is, if the rosters are comparable, which it is reasonable to say, Tomlin has still done more with less and according to records, Rivera is a lesser coach.

I just wanted to clarify my point there, but aside from that, as I said, I'm done debating it.  Neither of us can prove our point in reality as there's no way to know what one coach would do with another's roster, so it's a pointless endeavor.  You feel Rivera doesn't get his due.  I feel he benefits from having two of the most impactful players the game has ever seen as his centerpieces, which have greatly masked his wide array of deficiencies.

 

[Zaximus]

I'm pretty Tomlin has had back to back winning seasons.

[Toomers]

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Sorry, to be clear, which i wasn't there...  my point was, if Tepper was among the owners who wanted Tomlin gone, considering his record and comparing it with Rivera's, we could then deduce that if Tepper found Tomlin to be subpar based on his record, then he would also find Rivera to be subpar...  meanwhile, Tomlin still has a superior record and resume.

As to your other post, my claim of Cam being the best offensive player in all of pro football may have some opinion to it, but my point is, he is a former MVP, he touches the ball every snap, and he can pass or run (in ways no other QB can) - those are all facts.  Now considering those facts, would you rather have a former MVP, once recognized as the best player in all of pro football, with the ability to make a play with the ball every snap, or AB or Leveon Bell? Which is the bigger weapon?  Only one of those guys gets the ball every snap with a chance to impact the game.  That's why I say he is the best offensive player in the game, which is opinion, but grounded in the above facts.

But, removing opinion from it, my point is, if the rosters are comparable, which it is reasonable to say, Tomlin has still done more with less and according to records, Rivera is a lesser coach.

 

 

There is no “choice” between Cam and one player. Cam or Ben/AB/Bell is the choice. They have all three. For 6 years now. And all are as close, or closer, to HOF status than Cam is right now. Tomlin took over a SB winning team and has had significantly more talent over his career than Rivera could hope for. But whatever fits the agenda. 

[electro's horse]

I still don't understand how Reid isn't signed.

Obviously Tepper doesn't give a poo like Richardson did.

It really just must be Rivera not actually believing in the safety position. Like he can see them out there but he's convinced it's just PTSD from his playing days. 

[PanthersFanNY]

I've said before that Ron has been absolutely carried by Cam Newton his entire time with the Panthers. Any success they have is in spite of having Ron as the HC. He's been riding coat tails for a while now.

 

His old ass philosophy doesn't work anymore. If he was the coach of the Chargers yesterday he would have stopped trying to score at 14-0 and would just have them run it three times and punt until the Bills came back, then hope Cam bails him out at the end. His game plans consist of letting Cam and McCaffrey do everything and hope it works out. 

 

And anyone saying we shouldn't take a chance with Josh Gordon is insane. Cam hasn't had a real WR1 since Steve Smith. We can keep trotting out Funchess for a decade but he'll never be a WR1 and Torrey Smith hasn't been good in like four years. We know Ron will never play DJ Moore because he's a clone of John Fox. Josh Gordon will only cost anything if he plays because any compensation in a trade will be a conditional pick. There's no risk. His contract is cheap and if he plays you get a bargain for a mid round pick and if not cut your losses and it doesn't cost you anything. What the hell? Why would you say no to that?

[Skack25]

17 hours ago, Ludwig23 said:

I'll even take kapernick

Can he catch?

[CPF4LIFE]

17 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Tepper is a very analytical guy and he's been around football for a long time. He very much understands that divisional games are by far and away the most important games in the NFL and it won't go unnoticed by him how bad we've been in divisional games since 2015.

If the Saints and Falcons continue to school Rivera and his D, we very well may be watching Rivera's last season in Carolina.

No question we SHOULD be watching his last season here. He has been consistently getting outcoached since the superbowl run. The 3 straight losses to the saints was the writing on the wall last season. 

[tiger7_88]

50 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I still don't understand how Reid isn't signed.

Because he's suing the NFL.

Out of every employer in the United States of America, how many do you think are going to go out of their way to actively hire a person who has brought suit against them?

[electro's horse]

3 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Because he's suing the NFL.

Out of every employer in the United States of America, how many do you think are going to go out of their way to actively hire a person who has brought suit against them?

The trump white house and judiciary are full of them.

[JARROD]

3 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Because he's suing the NFL.

Out of every employer in the United States of America, how many do you think are going to go out of their way to actively hire a person who has brought suit against them?

And we have no idea how many teams Did offer him a contract that wasn’t what he wanted so he’s suing now,.

im sure if he wanted to play football he would be playing. 

[Car123]

8 minutes ago, JARROD said:

And we have no idea how many teams Did offer him a contract that wasn’t what he wanted so he’s suing now,.

im sure if he wanted to play football he would be playing. 

I wouldn't sign a vet minimum contract either.