Tepper to Coaching Staff: Use Modern Analytics

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, je1005 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/14/new-panthers-owner-david-tepper-encouraging-coaches-to-embrace-analytics/

So. I read this article, and it didn’t indicate that Tepper was only talking about the first half. That was shoe-horned into the Panthers.com piece. 

Tepper noted that the Panthers called more passes on first down in Week One than they typically did in past years, and he said analytics had shown that’s a wise approach.

It occurred to me later let PFT didn’t include that important bit of information about the first half. Thus, I looked at the 60 minute sample. If he was speaking ONLY about the first 30 minutes, there might be some validity to it.

Bad job by me, equally bad job by PFT.

PFT was citing the Panthers.com article as their source, but yeah, they didn't include the full story.

(they usually don't since the site is really about their own commentary anyway)

[ellis]

I saw the attribution, and knowing PFTs history, I should’ve clicked the link. Still, I just don’t see a big difference from other games in years past. 

So, here’s my take away: Beat the snot out of Atlanta....and I want Tepper dancing on that field. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, je1005 said:

I saw the attribution, and knowing PFTs history, I should’ve clicked the link. Still, I just don’t see a big difference from other games in years past. 

So, here’s my take away: Beat the snot out of Atlanta....and I want Tepper dancing on that field. 

I did, but it wasn't statistical. Mentioned immediately after the game that I liked how the game flowed. Felt like we finished a lot better in the second half than in previous years when it always seemed like we let teams come back on us.

And yeah, PFT certainly has stories worth reading, but I've always treated it as kind of a news portal. If I'm interested in a story they post, I tend to click the link and read the original as well (sometimes instead).

[ellis]

Larger point, passing on 1st down before halftime......It didn’t yield great results last week. (0y, hold, 14y, hold, inc, inc, 7y, 10y, 8y, sack) 

5/7, 39y, 5.6ypa

2 penalties, 20y

1 sack 

19 net yards on 10 snaps.

 

The game flowed well in the second half, in large part because the defense was absolutely suffocating their offense. We took away the underneath, with a variety of coverages.  We neutralized 21 for most of the game. And let’s face it, Dallas was not formidable in the passing game. We had those match ups all day. 

 

 

[ellis]

Hey, I will say this. I’m glad the owner cares enough to have an opinion on it. That right there is a positive.

[Moo Daeng]

I dont think anyone was complaining about Tepper...or I wasnt. Only that people dont remotely care about facts.

[CPF4LIFE]

8 hours ago, thebigcat said:

I am all for it and if anything is another indication that Ron and Co. are likely gone soon because they aren't part of the modern era of football/coaching.

Analytics would tell you

Matt Kalil is not a worthy LT but Ron will start him the moment he is ready

Analytic would tell you Amini Silatolu is not qualified for flag football let alone NFL but Ronald will start him anyways

This.....furthermore trying to establish a run game in a passing league, but you cant even do that unless your QB does all the running. Ron doesnt no poo about analytics. Its all play hard and execute- missed opportunities.

[Cary Kollins]

15 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Shocked the coaching staff had to be told to do so in this day and age.

 

Better believe Tepper has taken note of that. If and when Rivera is gone you can bet we’ll be looking for a progressive forward-thinking coach, a Sean McVey type I would imagine.

[Raskle]

Maybe I'm just reading it differently than you guys, and fall into that 'too lazy to look it up' category, but this reads to me:

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PFT: “Tepper noted that the Panthers called more passes on first down in Week One than they typically did in past years, and he said analytics had shown that’s a wise approach.”

In this season's Week One game, they passed more on first down than the Panthers have done in any previous Week One game in recent years. This is where I'm not sure how comparing W1-2018 against Dallas would have any sort of relevance to W8-2017 against Tampa, or why they should be compared when it wasn't a directly alluded to by Tepper in the first place (granted, that's to me and how I read it). I'd be curious to see how that stacks up and fits the narrative a little better, but yeah.. lazy.

 

I also don't get how an owner of a team, suggesting to his coaches to use a tool more that he's used for years to be successful should be construed as "meddling." Analytics, or Statistical Analysis, is just a more efficient way to see trends and patterns to help decide the most effective way to game plan. It doesn't replace human decision, but it should help it and make it quicker and easier to do so. It should be held in the same regard as watching film, as both are just analysis of a play and its success rate, which personnel/packages were utilized, and how these could be altered to increase chance of positive gain. It's not voodoo magic, or nerdy science. It's just a tool used to help them make better decisions, and see trends the coaches might not have noticed (Ron on Amini for example, where human bias can be argued against by raw facts to show he's a bad player).

 

You guys should be commending him for trying to increase its usage, not the opposite, as I've seen multiple times in this thread. It's how good teams become great teams, a la the Patriots (minus the cheating thing).

[rhyslloyd]

I’ve heard that Ron has requested Tepper’s data on a floppy disk. 

[tiger7_88]

3 minutes ago, rhyslloyd said:

I’ve heard that Ron has requested Tepper’s data on a floppy disk. 

Probably asked for 5 1/4 too.

[rhyslloyd]

3 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Probably asked for 5 1/4 too.

He might get to the data once everyone on the Train has died of scurvy. 

[ellis]

[Pejorative Miscreant]

27 minutes ago, Raskle said:

 

I also don't get how an owner of a team, suggesting to his coaches to use a tool more that he's used for years to be successful should be construed as "meddling." Analytics, or Statistical Analysis, is just a more efficient way to see trends and patterns to help decide the most effective way to game plan. It doesn't replace human decision, but it should help it and make it quicker and easier to do so. It should be held in the same regard as watching film, as both are just analysis of a play and its success rate, which personnel/packages were utilized, and how these could be altered to increase chance of positive gain. It's not voodoo magic, or nerdy science. It's just a tool used to help them make better decisions, and see trends the coaches might not have noticed 

Well said.  Tepper just made a comment about one game and using additional tools to assist coaching and play calling. I doubt he hijacked a coaches meeting and told them they needed to do “x”going forward.  

Im glad he speaks and is in the spotlight.  This is not meddling in coaching decisions.