Tepper to Coaching Staff: Use Modern Analytics

[BudFox]

I'm reading between the lines when he talks about "don't want human biases to alter what we think."  Sounds less like meddling with analytics and more about eliminating blind loyalty.

He didn't make billions by holding the dogs.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, BudFox said:

I'm reading between the lines when he talks about "don't want human biases to alter what we think."  Sounds less like meddling with analytics and more about eliminating blind loyalty.

He didn't make billions by holding the dogs.

Very possible.

[CRA]

I don't see how that is meddling.  

No different than any owner employing a HC and saying he would like to see his team to do/be X overall.  

Meddling would be him dictating the depth chart and interfering in the jobs being done he hired folks to do.   Basically every employer makes the type big picture suggestion/emphasis Tepper just did on on their companies. 

[MHS831]

On 9/14/2018 at 4:41 PM, Moorgan said:

Is "being left-handed makes you a better LT" using analytics?

Asking for friend.

Exactly  Football acumen is not helpful as a coach because you know the game from the perspective of one player.  If we used analytics, the following may be true:

1. We would never have signed Matt Kalil.

2. Silatolu would not be here.

3.  Cam's deficiencies (accuracy) would have been addressed sooner and more successfully..

4. We would not be discussing paying Funchess big bucks or giving Butler a 5th year,

 

[PanthersATL]

On 9/14/2018 at 4:39 PM, LA_Panther said:

Only this statement below made me go "hmmm....

"...Tepper noted that the Panthers called more passes on first down in Week One than they typically did in past years, and he said analytics had shown that’s a wise approach..."

Not sure if that is meddling territory, but I personally prefer owners to stay away from Xs and Os under any context. Not a deal breaker as long as we are winning :-)

 

if he's pointing out something that would be obvious to a casual observer (or Huddler) that Ron and the coaching team isn't doing - and is basing his reasoning on analytical/non-disputable facts rather than emotional gut feeling, then I say go with it.

Moneyball.

[NAS]

How about some analytics that, if you target Moore he is likely to gain yards after catch

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I don't see how that is meddling.  

No different than any owner employing a HC and saying he would like to see his team to do/be X overall.  

Meddling would be him dictating the depth chart and interfering in the jobs being done he hired folks to do.   Basically every employer makes the type big picture suggestion/emphasis Tepper just did on on their companies. 

Right, He is saying use gel pens instead of chisels and stone tablets to increase productivity. 

I am a researcher/professor at a state university--education leadership.  I once wanted to study the impact of data collection on learning styles and adaptability to understand more effective ways to assess talent (draft) and the learning curve for rookies (bust rate).  It was my theory that busts occur because the player does not possess the ability to conform to the demands (dictated by salary and maturation rates for each position).  We were going to work for free for 2 years.

I sent this proposal to the team president (Morrison).  He showed the idea to Richardson, who liked it--they sent it to Hurney and Rivera.  Morrison told me this in a response letter.  He told me Hurney would be in touch.  I never heard from Marty Hurney.  A few weeks, maybe months later, Marty Hurney and Rivera were talking about drafting Amini Silatolu--Marty and Ron liked the way Amini was "throwing people down" at a D-II college.  I watched the film they mentioned--there was no technique.  Silatolu was bigger stronger, and was not using technique.  He was often slow getting off the ball (could not remember snap count?).  As a rookie, his head would often move from side to side, suggesting that he did not understand the game--where the pressure should be coming from--and he was beaten on stunts routinely.  He was often asking Gross or Kalil questions after they broke from the huddle and approached the LOS.  Silatolu is now almost 30, RR still loves him, and he is still dumb. 

So I applaud the owner's ability to identify and address a glaring problem.  To me, the story I shared reflects a lack of in using analytics to support your decisions, although not what Tepper had in mind this time.

 

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Right, He is saying use gel pens instead of chisels and stone tablets to increase productivity. 

I am a researcher/professor at a state university--education leadership.  I once wanted to study the impact of data collection on learning styles and adaptability to understand more effective ways to assess talent (draft) and the learning curve for rookies (bust rate).  It was my theory that busts occur because the player does not possess the ability to conform to the demands (dictated by salary and maturation rates for each position).  We were going to work for free for 2 years.

I sent this proposal to the team president (Morrison).  He showed the idea to Richardson, who liked it--they sent it to Hurney and Rivera.  Morrison told me this in a response letter.  He told me Hurney would be in touch.  I never heard from Marty Hurney.  A few weeks, maybe months later, Marty Hurney and Rivera were talking about drafting Amini Silatolu--Marty and Ron liked the way Amini was "throwing people down" at a D-II college.  I watched the film they mentioned--there was no technique.  Silatolu was bigger stronger, and was not using technique.  He was often slow getting off the ball (could not remember snap count?).  As a rookie, his head would often move from side to side, suggesting that he did not understand the game--where the pressure should be coming from--and he was beaten on stunts routinely.  He was often asking Gross or Kalil questions after they broke from the huddle and approached the LOS.  Silatolu is now almost 30, RR still loves him, and he is still dumb. 

So I applaud the owner's ability to identify and address a glaring problem.  To me, the story I shared reflects a lack of in using analytics to support your decisions, although not what Tepper had in mind this time.

Over Cordy Glenn...that still hurts.

Have mentioned it before: A while back I heard a long time GM talk about how personnel men hate when coaches get involved in the scouting process because coaches all too often fall in love with highlights and don't look at the whole picture.  This sounds like a pretty good example.  Granted, Hurney was involved, but Rivera's got as much scouting background as he does (arguably more).  And of course we know of Rivera's love for "try hard" guys.

[MHS831]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Over Cordy Glenn...that still hurts.

A while back I heard a GM talk about how personnel men hate when coaches get involved in the scouting process because coaches all too often fall in love with highlights and don't look at the whole picture.  This sounds like a pretty good example.  Granted, Hurney was involved, but Rivera's got as much scouting background as he does (arguably more).  And of course we know of Rivera's love for "try hard" guys.

I do not like OL from small schools.  Can't think of many that did anything, can you?

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I do not like OL from small schools.  Can't think of many that did anything, can you?

In general, I strongly agree but it looks like we might have a good one in Moton.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I do not like OL from small schools.  Can't think of many that did anything, can you?

I think Jahri Evans went to a small school, but I couldn't tell you which one.  I believe there are others but that's the only one that comes to mind.

I agree with Linville about Moton.

Edit: Forgot another Saints guy, Terron Armstead.  He's doing okay.

I'd agree it's rare though.  I much prefer players from big time schools.

[MHS831]

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In general, I strongly agree but it looks like we might have a good one in Moton.

Amini was D II.  I was referring to THAT small.  Michigan (state of) usually has some good OLmen.  I  would take an OL from Central Michigan (I think there was a top pick from there a few years ago--forget the name) or WMich.

[KneelingCamFan]

15 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Amini was D II.  I was referring to THAT small.  Michigan (state of) usually has some good OLmen.  I  would take an OL from Central Michigan (I think there was a top pick from there a few years ago--forget the name) or WMich.

Larry Allen went to Sonoma State...i Would consider that a small school, but on a whole, I agree with the premise.

[KneelingCamFan]

21 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Right, He is saying use gel pens instead of chisels and stone tablets to increase productivity. 

I am a researcher/professor at a state university--education leadership.  I once wanted to study the impact of data collection on learning styles and adaptability to understand more effective ways to assess talent (draft) and the learning curve for rookies (bust rate).  It was my theory that busts occur because the player does not possess the ability to conform to the demands (dictated by salary and maturation rates for each position).  We were going to work for free for 2 years.

I sent this proposal to the team president (Morrison).  He showed the idea to Richardson, who liked it--they sent it to Hurney and Rivera.  Morrison told me this in a response letter.  He told me Hurney would be in touch.  I never heard from Marty Hurney.  A few weeks, maybe months later, Marty Hurney and Rivera were talking about drafting Amini Silatolu--Marty and Ron liked the way Amini was "throwing people down" at a D-II college.  I watched the film they mentioned--there was no technique.  Silatolu was bigger stronger, and was not using technique.  He was often slow getting off the ball (could not remember snap count?).  As a rookie, his head would often move from side to side, suggesting that he did not understand the game--where the pressure should be coming from--and he was beaten on stunts routinely.  He was often asking Gross or Kalil questions after they broke from the huddle and approached the LOS.  Silatolu is now almost 30, RR still loves him, and he is still dumb. 

So I applaud the owner's ability to identify and address a glaring problem.  To me, the story I shared reflects a lack of in using analytics to support your decisions, although not what Tepper had in mind this time.

 

Great post.  I really like Rivera.  I think he's a great coach and one of the better coaches in the NFL, especially considering this is is first time being a head coach. However, I think he can stuck in his ways.  Because Siefert burned him, I think Richardson decided to just stick to Defensive guys like Fox and Rivera.  For Rivera, i think he can get too stuck in his ways (Silatolu WILL START AND YOU WILL NOT TELL ME DIFFERENT) when it's obvious that he's not an NFL starting offensive linemen.  I think you have to strike the right balance between analytics and still the old scouting techniques. I think the Rams and Eagles are two examples of teams that have figured it out...