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Remember Deshaun Foster?

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Deshaun Foster was basically done after 2005. Remember, he didn't have very good rushing numbers that year (he never did) but he was the second leading receiver on the team. Losing him against the Bears is the real reason the offense fell apart against Seattle.

Then after that Fox asked him to bulk up for 2006 because he was going to be the pounder while DeAngelo was going to be the dance around guy. Well, Foster wasn't really suited for that, and in addition he was rehabbing a bad ankle injury, so adding weight wasn't the best thing for him. Furthermore, he was made to look worse by Williams, who pretty clearly was a more talented runner than him the first time he took the field.

To this day I believe the Williams era would have started much sooner if he hadn't suffered that fluke injury against Cleveland, when his leg got basically propped up on two other legs, then had ted washington fall on it. As far as the whole "conditioning" thing keeping him out, that's rubbish. people are taking one throw away line from a mid week fluff article about the new QB. oh heavens he got run down from behind in arizona by one of the best, fastest safeties in the NFL. The horror.

i think the reality is Fox just never really trusted DeAngelo because he wasn't his "kind" of running back. Much like Foster was always meant to be the number 2, as evidenced by his being second to Davis in 2005. Seriously, go to this page and look at the rushing attempts distribution per game. It's mind boggling. The difference in YPC is just like it was in 2007, when DeAngelo was vastly outperforming Foster.

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also foster is really kind of a tragic case. I'm not sure anyone remember just how remarkable he was at UCLA. He was averaging 300 yds a game for the first eight games his last year there, before the NCAA learned he was sleeping on a mattress full of nazi gold or whatever it was.

I was at his only preseason game in 02. I've never seen someone turn the corner in my life faster than he did on that end around. Then the next play he blew out his knee, his first in his life. He was still good in 03, but not the same kind of speed he showed in college and the year prior (but not at the combine oddly).

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If Williams had proven he was so great, why did they take Stewart at a spot where you normally go after a starter instead of waiting until the second or third round where you go after your change-of-pace back?

the pains of BPA drafting

actually what happened going in Chris Williams was their number one, then they figured out he had spinal stenosis, so they upgraded that to clady.

clady went right ahead of their spot to denver, then on their list of BPA they saw Stewart so why the fug not.

it wasn't a good pick, and then when they saw Otah was still there, and the massive drop off in talent after him, they pounced. it was a "Target of Opportunity," but the stewart pick was still bad.

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also foster is really kind of a tragic case. I'm not sure anyone remember just how remarkable he was at UCLA. He was averaging 300 yds a game for the first eight games his last year there, before the NCAA learned he was sleeping on a mattress full of nazi gold or whatever it was.

I was at his only preseason game in 02. I've never seen someone turn the corner in my life faster than he did on that end around. Then the next play he blew out his knee, his first in his life. He was still good in 03, but not the same kind of speed he showed in college and the year prior (but not at the combine oddly).

Not quite that good.He only played in 8 games his final year and averaged 138.6 yards a game.He did run for over 300 yards in one game.

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the pains of BPA drafting

actually what happened going in Chris Williams was their number one, then they figured out he had spinal stenosis, so they upgraded that to clady.

clady went right ahead of their spot to denver, then on their list of BPA they saw Stewart so why the f**k not.

it wasn't a good pick, and then when they saw Otah was still there, and the massive drop off in talent after him, they pounced. it was a "Target of Opportunity," but the stewart pick was still bad.

Sorry, I'm not buying that. Otah was ahead of Williams on a lot of draft boards, and considered ideal for the running game. He wouldn't have been a reach at 13 at all. Stewart was behind Mendenhall and McFadden on most because of injury concerns. We examined Stewart with our own doctors, and didn't take any time at all to announce our pick.

Had it been a pure BPA decision I'm sure that the Panthers would have entertained offers to go down a couple spots and let Kansas City or Detroit go after him. We still would have gotten a quality tackle and could have used the extra pick to grab a change of pace back in a later round. I'm not saying a deal would have been made, but they would have given the pick the full time duration to let one happen.

They picked Stewart because they wanted him, not because he was the BPA. Outside of message board chatter, there's nothing you can point to that indicates otherwise. And the actions of the Panthers leading up to and through the draft, as well as their statements later, say that they got the guy they wanted.

So that brings us back to Williams. If he was all-world coming out of 2007 like people are saying he was, then why would the Panthers have taken Stewart?

And for what it's worth, I always liked Foster. I think if he had this line to run behind early in his career he would have looked pretty damned good. A good line makes a lot of people look better.

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Hurney drafts for the team needs,unless someone Is there that is just that good they can't pass up,they take them instead of a needed spot.The whole idea is to do that,get them into camp,if what we have on the roster already is better,trade them,or someone we have who isn't as good,trade them,but to have the best talent we can have.Hurney and Fox got Stewart for one reason,and one reason only.DeAngelo has more miles on him than Madonna in the bedroom.He's been rode wet and put up hard.He had more all purpose yards than any runningback in NCAA history when he came out,plus he had the knee injuries also.

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How did this "weak arm" bs get started?

The entire offense needs work, not just Jake. Oline play has been suspect, Moose doesn't look like the Moose of old, Dlo looks tenative, it's way more than just Jake and I don't see how a QB change without improvement in the other areas would lead to much of an improvement.

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i think it's true that fox sticks with veterans too long, but i also think it's true that matt moore and dwayne jarret is trash and neither will be in the nfl if let go by the team

i put a lot of faith in practice sessions and the fact that matt moore has lost out roster spots to testaverde, carr, and recently cade mccown tells me there is something he can't do, though i'm not sure what that is and he did looke decent in 3 games years ago.

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