On Cam Newton's two deep incompletions...

[TheRed]

Might as well just trade Cam, and get Whitey McWhiterson in here to play quarterback so these fickle Panthers fans remember what the 2010 days actually looked like.

[saints4lifeagain]

2 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Note what Cam is doing in the pocket at that time. DE pushing RT into the pocket. Simple reaction is maneuvering away from that in order to prevent the sack. That eats up time, so by the time Cam frees himself from that, he has a small opportunity to throw it.

CMC wasn't open by the time the DE started getting too much push. Have to add that into account as well.

My man. He missed the throw. It's not a small window or a throw only 2 guys are making. It's a huge window and he missed it. It happens. 

Imo, Cam throws one of the nicer deep balls in the NFL, so I don't see the big deal. He just missed this one. 

[saints4lifeagain]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Might as well just trade Cam, and get Whitey McWhiterson in here to play quarterback so these fickle Panthers fans remember what the 2010 days actually looked like.

Jesus lol.

[Saca312]

19 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

He missed the throw. It's not a small window or a throw only 2 guys are making. It's a huge window and he missed it.

I guess we're going to have to disagree with a small window vs a large one.

In my opinion, that's a small window. CMC trekking towards the sideline with safety engaging with closing speed closing off the up and out forces Cam to change position of the throw from the original point at the top of CMC's route. Idea is to lead towards the sideline to counter the safety.

If you're looking for an in stride catch, once again note the distance and closing speed of the safety. You could use the overthrown ball as a point of reference. By the time the ball appears above CMC's head, that window is no longer that large. 

Once again, you still have to watch for Cam's positioning. He's out of the hash-marks trying to avoid pressure and barely got his feet semi-set. This will affect the throw and in that position 1-2 QBs would make that throw. 

If we're looking at an in-stride CMC catch not towards the sideline, closing speed of safety could jar that ball as he continues downfield. And then if we're keeping CMC at that angle and from Cam's throwing position at that point outside the hash marks, the level of difficulty simply is high. 

Either way, real reason I'm even talking about it is certain Panthers writers using these as evidence Cam's deep accuracy should be a huge concern. I just think these concerns are overblown.

Even if it was a huge window, I mean it's just one play. It really shouldn't be a concern, yet some have made it one. That's primarily why I'm pointing these out.

[RoaringRiot]

@Saca312 you do realize they’re not basing that off of just two throws, right? And I also don’t see where anyone said his deep Ball was “shot” or it’s a “huge concern”. I see two people who have seen every throw Cam’s made since the offseason who are simply reporting that he’s been off. One of which is a huge Panthers fan. So you should probably pump the brakes a little, dawg...

edit: off of the deep passes only. 

[Saca312]

12 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

And I also don’t see where anyone said his deep Ball was “shot” or it’s a “huge concern”. I see two people who have seen every throw Cam’s made since the offseason who are simply reporting that he’s been off. 

I mean right now we're arguing my verbiage, exaggeration and synonym usage. The point is, there are people who have taken two throws in game one as evidence for people to question Cam's deep accuracy this season.

As for the reason he likely has had issue with accuracy in the off-season and training camp, I've provided my thoughts on that already. He has new receivers, a new offensive coordinator, and has to built rapport and chemistry with them. He'll be missing a few as he tries things out and understands his receivers more. It happens and I think it's overblown.

Voth came off as more harsh on the matter, seemingly pointing that there shouldn't be excuses anymore given he is a year off shoulder surgery. I disagree and point to a new WR room as pretty much the variable that can and has affected his off-season accuracy.

Either way, I'm sure this will be a thing of the past when we get to mid-season. Cam will build chemistry then and look fine. I just don't think we need to jump to conclusions based off two throws from week 1, which some have alluded to in the three articles I heard are out on the subject matter.

 

[RoaringRiot]

7 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I mean right now we're arguing my verbiage, exaggeration and synonym usage. The point is, there are people who have taken two throws in game one as evidence for people to question Cam's deep accuracy this season.

As for the reason he likely has had issue with accuracy in the off-season and training camp, I've provided my thoughts on that already. He has new receivers, a new offensive coordinator, and has to built rapport and chemistry with them. He'll be missing a few as he tries things out and understands his receivers more. It happens and I think it's overblown.

Voth came off as more harsh on the matter, seemingly pointing that there shouldn't be excuses anymore given he is a year off shoulder surgery. I disagree and point to a new WR room as pretty much the variable that can and has affected his off-season accuracy.

Either way, I'm sure this will be a thing of the past when we get to mid-season. Cam will build chemistry then and look fine. I just don't think we need to jump to conclusions based off two throws from week 1, which some have alluded to in the three articles I heard are out on the subject matter.

 

OK, but when you use our Tweet, which has nothing to do with any of these articles you're mentioning, in the same sentences and threads implying that writers are saying Cam's deep pass is shot and a huge concern, then why wouldn't I tell you to stop over-exaggerating? Because that's not even close to anything we've ever said. 

[ellis]

[Saca312]

8 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

OK, but when you use our Tweet, which has nothing to do with any of these articles you're mentioning, in the same sentences and threads implying that writers are saying Cam's deep pass is shot and a huge concern, then why wouldn't I tell you to stop over-exaggerating?

When I used that tweet, the central focus was supposed to be around Voth more-so than the tweet itself. The Riot Report is fine. You just gave your observations and that's all good. The reply Voth had with that was what I had issue with given his earlier tweet and history with takes like that.

Sorry for not making that clear. 

[ellis]

Might be a good time to take a deep breath.

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, je1005 said:

Might be a good time to take a deep breath.

It's hard work being Cam Newton's propaganda executive against all slander against him.

[ellis]

21 hours ago, je1005 said:

GIF 1: Funchess ran a marginal (perhaps even the wrong) pattern. Odd looking route combo. This looks like a communication issue.  

GIF 2: 90 knocked 1 off his mark, affected ball placement. Nice defensive play.

GIF 3: Ball slightly behind 17–but even that’s splitting hairs. 

 

 

 

[RoaringRiot]

Just now, Saca312 said:

It's hard work being Cam Newton's propaganda executive against all slander against him.

In your OP you mentioned opinions and you’ve repeatedly mentioned writers (both plural), but it seems now like you’re just saying you don’t like Bill. Bill has written about this and it’s never come across as him talking poo on Cam.

This is from last week:

Really, the only thing being overblown here is your defense of Cam. No one is attacking him here. They’re just saying it’s something worth keeping an eye on at the moment.

[ellis]

I like Bill. He helped me a ton in 2011 at camp as a rookie reporter. Good people.