On Cam Newton's two deep incompletions...

[Dex]

Voth is a tool. I hopped on the Jordan train.

[tiger7_88]

31 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Also, Voth has always been this way toward Newton.

And he ramped up his bitchiness after Cam gave the media the middle finger post-Super Bowl.  That's when I stopped bothering with his former site.

[ellis]

It’s week two. 

[AceBoogie]

2 hours ago, ShutDwn said:

So many words...

You've got a lot of energy apparently, how bout you find examples of deep balls that looked like his pre-surgery days and use those as your argument instead of explaining away incomplete passes that weren't dropped? You can't. That's the point.

 

It's a statement of fact that Cam's deep ball hasn't been around in a year. Arguing with zero examples of him COMPLETING DEEP PASSES is just pointless. Did he lack a deep threat WR last year? Sure, but not he has multiple 4.3 guys and so it's totally on him to hit them when they're open and that's Voth's point. 

The thing that fixes this is a good run game that pulls the defense in and sets him up with a good pocket to launch from. 

How many videos can you post with guys running wide open? I’ll wait...

[AceBoogie]

2 hours ago, TheRed said:

There are a number of Panthers fans that do not deserve Cam Newton, or to even witness a successful team period.

Also, Voth has always been this way toward Newton. I stopped giving him clicks years ago.

Most of these fans don’t watch any other teams. No QB completed 100% of their passes. I guess they somehow assume other QBs don’t miss throws. It happens every fuging game with every fuging QB. I’ve watched a Peyton Manning in his prime miss a WR wide open for TDs on back to back plays before hitting him on the third. The difference is opportunities. 

The only QBs that attempted less passes than Cam were:

The fuging Bills

fuging Blaine Gabbert

and Sam Darnold because his defense went insane. 

Cam rarely has the opportunity to chuck the ball around like other QBs so every little missed throw is put under a microscope. 

[R2-D2]

CMC made a business decision on that deep ball. 

[Devil Doc]

7 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Most of these fans don’t watch any other teams. No QB completed 100% of their passes. I guess they somehow assume other QBs don’t miss throws. It happens every fuging game with every fuging QB. I’ve watched a Peyton Manning in his prime miss a WR wide open for TDs on back to back plays before hitting him on the third. The difference is opportunities. 

The only QBs that attempted less passes than Cam were:

The fuging Bills

fuging Blaine Gabbert

and Sam Darnold because his defense went insane. 

Cam rarely has the opportunity to chuck the ball around like other QBs so every little missed throw is put under a microscope. 

Exactly... everyone is praising Rodgers for his comeback from the Bears.. Pshh.. I wasn't impressed... he threw the ball to a wide open receiver with grass ahead of him.. was not miraculous. Difference in Numbers between CAM and Brady/Rodgers.... is Coaching.. and having receivers than can get open. 

 

[Saca312]

2 hours ago, ShutDwn said:

find examples of deep balls that looked like his pre-surgery days and use those as your argument instead of explaining away incomplete passes that weren't dropped?

See: Lions Cam to KB deep throw & ATLround 2 Funchess deep throw 2017 as two examples I came up with without even thinking.

[Moorgan]

17 minutes ago, Devil Doc said:

Exactly... everyone is praising Rodgers for his comeback from the Bears.. Pshh.. I wasn't impressed... he threw the ball to a wide open receiver with grass ahead of him.. was not miraculous. Difference in Numbers between CAM and Brady/Rodgers.... is Coaching.. and having receivers than can get open. 

 

Not for nothing, A A ron doing what he did Sunday night was pretty damn impressive. Has nothing to do with Cam. But that was pretty masterful.

[falconidae]

8 hours ago, Saca312 said:

I do have to disagree that he’s never been laser accurate. Can point to two throws yesterday where he showed off great high velocity throws between 2-3 defenders that few can make. 

Sure, he’s streaky. I get that. I do attribute that a bit to scheme play and oline/WR quality through his years. And yes, his mechanics aren’t the best. At the same time, I don’t put much credit into such as I believe he’s just fine the way he is.

I think he’s an elite pocket passer. Movement in the pocket is elite. His accuracy seems fine imo when all’s said and done. Can’t ever discredit his rare ability as a rusher either.

Overall, top 3 QB in my book given all his traits. 

Disclaimer: I think Cam is a really good QB, question his sartorial choices, but I'm a white guy about to hit social security, his clothing line isn't trying to appeal to me.

There's a much simpler explanation for Cam missing that Samuels throw. Nobody- not Rodgers, not Rivers, Brady, Flacco, Brees-nobody makes that throw more than about a third of the time. Leaguewide, the average is less than 30%.  Sometimes a QB will have a good year and hit 40%.

In 2015, Cam was only 11 of 33 on deep throws, 30+  yards in air. 6 of those completions went for TDs, that's what you remember, not the 22 that fell incomplete.

 

So, Saca, when I characterize streaky and inconsistent mechanics as inaccurate, you get all upset. The ability to make   individual great throws and being consistently accurate are two way different things. Cam just isn't the most accurate QB, and that's fine, the rest of what he brings to the table, including those great individual throws, more than makes up for that.

 

[Khyber53]

Cam's long passes get better as the year goes on, so I'm not worried. His accuracy gets better and the receivers get more in tune, too.

He missed two long ones, for whatever reason, and that happens. It even happens to Aaron Rogers. No biggie.

It's a W.

[SOJA]

5 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Hard to set your feet when you're having to step up in the pocket to avoid it collapsing on top of you.

should have been clear I wasn't criticizing Cam for not setting his feet I was just noticing that's why the throw might have been off 

[Saca312]

1 hour ago, SOJA said:

should have been clear I wasn't criticizing Cam for not setting his feet I was just noticing that's why the throw might have been off 

Well mainly the pressure from the DE forced Cam to try to make a play earlier than he probably wanted.

[*FreeFua*]

Like I’ve stated many times before, Funchess can’t track a ball over his shoulder. If Funchess could track worth a damn this is a ball he could’ve easily have still caught