On Cam Newton's two deep incompletions...

[Saca312]

23 minutes ago, je1005 said:

Mechanically, it’s pretty clear why. But, again, he’s almost 30. This is what he is—strong armed physical passer with skill position attributes. 

I do have to disagree that he’s never been laser accurate. Can point to two throws yesterday where he showed off great high velocity throws between 2-3 defenders that few can make. 

Sure, he’s streaky. I get that. I do attribute that a bit to scheme play and oline/WR quality through his years. And yes, his mechanics aren’t the best. At the same time, I don’t put much credit into such as I believe he’s just fine the way he is.

I think he’s an elite pocket passer. Movement in the pocket is elite. His accuracy seems fine imo when all’s said and done. Can’t ever discredit his rare ability as a rusher either.

Overall, top 3 QB in my book given all his traits. 

[ellis]

Shoulder surgery repaired his shoulder—not his footwork or vision or timing or awareness or poise.

Or his offensive line.

Many factors go into connecting on deep routes. 

[ellis]

It will be interesting to see how he evolves in the new offense. 

Shula really did a poor job with route combos, formations/personnel and situational playcalling—among other things. 

You do have a point. In 2015, Cam led the league in comp% on passes 20+ yds (51%). He was in a zone, and his skill players made a ton of great plays. 

 

[LA_Panther]

We can debate the one to Funch, since he had no business running that route ... but the one to CMC, you gotta make that throw . Hope we clean those up. You can’t leave points on the field like that 

[Donald LaFell]

4 hours ago, t96 said:

I have zero concern about Cam's deep ball, but that McC deep incompletion was absolute on Cam.

I don’t think he’s ever made that throw in his career. He can’t get it there in time before the safety without a lot of zip, zip equals overthrow. 

[CPF4LIFE]

7 hours ago, je1005 said:

It will be interesting to see how he evolves in the new offense. 

Shula really did a poor job with route combos, formations/personnel and situational playcalling—among other things. 

You do have a point. In 2015, Cam led the league in comp% on passes 20+ yds (51%). He was in a zone, and his skill players made a ton of great plays. 

 

He also crazy good blocking on those plays to make those throws.

[AceBoogie]

The issue is as it’s always been. Every QB misses throws like that every single game. Aaron Rodgers, Brady, Brees they all miss throws in a game. The issue is that Cam rarely has an opportunity to make those throws due to the poor play around him so when he misses one throw it gets magnified. 

[Icege]

Always value these, except when they're lying on the greatness that is Daryl Williams :3

[TheRed]

There are a number of Panthers fans that do not deserve Cam Newton, or to even witness a successful team period.

Also, Voth has always been this way toward Newton. I stopped giving him clicks years ago.

[ShutDwn]

So many words...

You've got a lot of energy apparently, how bout you find examples of deep balls that looked like his pre-surgery days and use those as your argument instead of explaining away incomplete passes that weren't dropped? You can't. That's the point.

 

It's a statement of fact that Cam's deep ball hasn't been around in a year. Arguing with zero examples of him COMPLETING DEEP PASSES is just pointless. Did he lack a deep threat WR last year? Sure, but not he has multiple 4.3 guys and so it's totally on him to hit them when they're open and that's Voth's point. 

The thing that fixes this is a good run game that pulls the defense in and sets him up with a good pocket to launch from. 

[tiger7_88]

9 hours ago, SOJA said:

The only thing that I can say for certain is Cam's feet never looked set on the wheel route throw to CMC. I agree, however, it was a ridiculously difficult throw to make 

Hard to set your feet when you're having to step up in the pocket to avoid it collapsing on top of you.

[Panther1iDawg]

10 hours ago, t96 said:

I have zero concern about Cam's deep ball, but that McC deep incompletion was absolute on Cam.

Yeah, CAM over threw McC, it happens, I don't mind the misses sometime. I was just disappointment he didn't throw more deep balls, hit or miss.

[Pantha-kun]

I dont care whose fault it is,  we need to fix it.  We havent had a deep passing game since the 2016 season and were still missing it.  Thats going to bite us in the ass eventually when defenses just decide to camp down within 10 or 15 yards of the los and just dare cam to actually throw deep 

[bababoey]

By the end of next season Cam and his girlfriend will have 22 kids and be able to start his own football team.  I don't think there is anything wrong with Cam and his balls deep