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[UpstatePanther]

So now we have the:

• Buffalo Panthers,

• Arizona Panthers, and

• New York Panthers

 

[The Natural]

16 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  That’s a really great standard for a GM that was only on the job for 5 years. And took over a team that hadn’t had a winning season in the previous 4 and a franchise that no GM has accomplished it for. Or is it the last thing to cling to. 

  Bottom line: If I said we would make the playoffs 4 of the next 5 years, with Hurney or any GM, you taking it? 

Are we really going to pretend Dave built that 2013 squad from the ground up? He took over a team that was primed for the playoffs, don't kid yourself on that one. The fact he couldn't muster together the additional talent to give us consecutive winning seasons says it all. One step forward two steps back. 

[TheRed]

Even these motherfugers have a Lombardi trophy down in Tampa...

Meanwhile we've got Panthers fans happily touching tips in rejoice over the Panthers backing into the playoffs and going 6-10 after a Super Bowl appearance lol.

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, TheRed said:

How f*cking dense do you have to be to posture about playoffs 4 out of 5 years while casually glossing over the fact that we still don't have back to back winning seasons?

An 80% playoff rate isn't something to be happy with just because one of the years had a sub 500 record?

Yeah...I really hope you're trolling here because that's about as dumbass a statement as I've ever seen.

[MillionDollarCam]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No, I think mostly you do it because you enjoy being an ass to people. that's the reason why you make ridiculously stupid arguments like the one above.

The reason why people defend Dave Gettleman is because he was in charge of the most successful period in team history. There's actually nothing more to it than that.

The most common reason I've seen for people defending Marty Hurney is that he drafted one player. Pretty dumb rationale, but hey...

Your logic is just incredibly twisted.

The Dave Gettleman era still did not feature back to back winning seasons but it did consist of a return to cap hell and mediocre draft picks (I do give Dave credit for his UDFA pick up's).

Stating that Dave Gettleman was in charge of the most successful period of Panthers football when he had teams go 7-8-1 and 6-10 under his control is like winning the tallest midget contest.

The Panthers have lacked consistency and hopefully under Tepper they find it. Whether that be with Hurney in control or someone else.

Just let DG go, he's gone, he's not coming back, nothing you say or do will change that.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Your logic is just incredibly twisted.

The Dave Gettleman era still did not feature back to back winning seasons but it did consist of a return to cap hell and mediocre draft picks (I do give Dave credit for his UDFA pick up's).

Stating that Dave Gettleman was in charge of the most successful period of Panthers football when he had teams go 7-8-1 and 6-10 under his control is like winning the tallest midget contest.

The Panthers have lacked consistency and hopefully under Tepper they find it. Whether that be with Hurney in control or someone else.

Just let DG go, he's gone, he's not coming back, nothing you say or do will change that.

Ah yes, trying to make the connection emotional... A tactic most typically used when you've got no logic to backup your argument.

The notion that being one year short of back to back winning seasons somehow nullifies an 80% success rate is one of the most ignorant (and frankly desperate) arguments I've seen on here.

[TheRed]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

An 80% playoff rate isn't something to be happy with just because one of the years had a sub 500 record?

Yeah...I really hope you're trolling here because that's about as dumbass a statement as I've ever seen.

There's being happy, and then there's being a world champion.

You think some of the most storied franchises in the league that have multiple championships just casually write off losing seasons in the midst of a Super Bowl capable roster? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we now one of the only, if not the only team in the last few decades to appear in the super bowl and not even qualify for the playoffs the following year?

For all your huffing and puffing about Jerry Richardson, you seem hellbent on maintaining the status quo of mediocrity that he nurtured here for so long.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

There's being happy, and then there's being a world champion.

You think some of the most storied franchises in the league that have multiple championships just casually write off losing seasons in the midst of a Super Bowl capable roster? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we now one of the only, if not the only team in the last few decades to appear and the super bowl and not even qualify for the playoffs the following year?

For all your huffing and puffing about Jerry Richardson, you seem hellbent on maintaining the status quo of mediocrity that he nurtured here for so long.

See, stuff like that last paragraph is what makes you boring. I've been quite happy to see the ownership change. Heck, you've accused me of being too happy.

Told you before: If you're going to troll, at least be consistent. I know that's one of your weak points though. You seem to have a lot of trouble keeping your arguments straight.

We got to 15-1 and thisclose to a Super Bowl victory but missed out because of coaching, not talent, unless maybe it was at quarterback.

 

 

 

Hint: That last line was just to push your buttons. Thought I'd return the favor since you're trying and failing at pushing mine 

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See, stuff like that last paragraph is what makes you boring. I've been quite happy to see the ownership change. Heck, you've accused me of being too happy.

Told you before: If you're going to troll, at least be consistent. I know that's one of your weak pointts though. You seem to have a lot of trouble keeping your arguments straight).

We got to 15-1 and thisclose to a Super Bowl but missed out because of coaching, not talent, unless maybe it was at quarterback.

 

 

 

Hint: That last line was just to push your buttons. Thought I'd return the favor since you're trying and failing at pushing mine 

So wait. Your response to all that is to take a random swipe at the player whom the GM you're defending didn't even draft and just so happens to be the biggest reason we've even been a successful franchise at all the last 7 years?

I think you're trolling yourself.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

So wait. Your response to all that is to take a random swipe at the player whom the GM you're defending didn't even draft and just so happens to be the biggest reason we've even been a successful franchise at all the last 7 years?

I think you're trolling yourself.

I flat out told you I was trolling, and it still pushed your buttons?

Damn 

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

So wait. Your response to all that is to take a random swipe at the player whom the GM you're defending didn't even draft and just so happens to be the biggest reason we've even been a successful franchise at all the last 7 years?

I think you're trolling yourself.

 

[MillionDollarCam]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ah yes, trying to make the connection emotional... A tactic most typically used when you've got no logic to backup your argument.

The notion that being one year short of back to back winning seasons somehow nullifies an 80% success rate is one of the most ignorant (and frankly desperate) arguments I've seen on here.

Ah, the 80% success rate argument again.

Let's keep giving DG credit for last year when he didn't even make the most significant move in regards to the roster (trading Kelvin Benjamin). Or maybe he did make the most significant move when he signed Matt Kalil. Oh wait, JR made him do it so it doesn't count.

But by all means keep telling me how great your Gettleman is. 

The bottom line is Gettleman had a 50% success rate and took advantage of an anomaly in 2014. If we're going to call 7-8-1 a success then please give credit to Hurney for his multiple 7-9 and 8-8 seasons. The difference is DG capitalized on a fortitous bounce.

The Panthers were average under DG, anyone without blinders on can see that.

The Panthers were below average with Hurney, anyone can see that.

Basing your argument on the fact that because one average individual is better than one below average individual likely means you are okay with medicracy as where a lot of us aren't.

Hopefully Hurney learned from his past mistakes or he can take a hike as well.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

Ah, the 80% success rate argument again.

Let's keep giving DG credit for last year when he didn't even make the most significant move in regards to the roster (trading Kelvin Benjamin). Or maybe he did make the most significant move when he signed Matt Kalil. Oh wait, JR made him do it so it doesn't count.

But by all means keep telling me how great your Gettleman is. 

The bottom line is Gettleman had a 50% success rate and took advantage of an anomaly in 2014. If we're going to call 7-8-1 a success then please give credit to Hurney for his multiple 7-9 and 8-8 seasons. The difference is DG capitalized on a fortitous bounce.

The Panthers were average under DG, anyone without blinders on can see that.

The Panthers were below average with Hurney, anyone can see that.

Basing your argument on the fact that because one average individual is better than one below average individual likely means you are okay with medicracy as where a lot of us aren't.

Hopefully Hurney learned from his past mistakes or he can take a hike as well.

Oh yes, one move halfway into the season made by a guy who was hired at the end of the offseason gives him all the credit.

Meanwhile, another guy's success three years in is still dependent on the moves that were made by somebody who hasn't been part of the team that entire time.

You're really sticking to this dumbass argument no matter how utterly foolish it looks?

Okay. You do you 

[Pantherxtreme]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See, stuff like that last paragraph is what makes you boring. I've been quite happy to see the ownership change. Heck, you've accused me of being too happy.

Told you before: If you're going to troll, at least be consistent. I know that's one of your weak points though. You seem to have a lot of trouble keeping your arguments straight.

We got to 15-1 and thisclose to a Super Bowl victory but missed out because of coaching, not talent, unless maybe it was at quarterback.

 

 

 

Hint: That last line was just to push your buttons. Thought I'd return the favor since you're trying and failing at pushing mine 

Gettleman did a good job of managing the Panthers out of their cap woes and was able to find some bargain free-agents and udfa to fill some gaps for a team that already had an talented core of leaders. The Panthers made the playoffs more times than not during his tenure that cannot be denied.

But again he did inherit an already talented team and a young coaching staff that was coming into it's own after a rough two years. So he didn't exactly have to pull an Houdini act to get this team to the next level ie: playoffs. 

If Gettleman can turn the Giants around to a 12-4 record and a playoff trip ala the Panthers in his first season as GM he'll deserve all the praise,  compared to the coaching and talent that was already here when he arrived.