I would like to talk about this Matt Kalil situation

[hepcat]

Those god damn Vikings fans laughing at us when he signed in Carolina were right

[AU-panther]

22 hours ago, Toomers said:

Jeremy!!!!!!!  

Please pin these numbers so everyone will see the correct numbers on Matt Kalil. I tried to get you to do it last summer but no one would listen. J/K

  This is what we paid to Matt Kalil, cap hit wise, with 25M guaranteed.

2017 3.4M

2018. 6.9M 

Cut after season with 14.7M left to account for.

2019 4.9M

2020 9.8M

 You can’t restructure a player with a 1M base salary that’s guaranteed. 

Unfortunately though it looks like 2019 is guaranteed for injury at the time of signing https://overthecap.com/player/matt-kalil/1793/

Depending on what happens with the injury those numbers could be higher but best case that looks like correct.

If it wasn't for the injury they could actually cut him this year and his cap hit would decrease by $750k but his cap hit next year would go up by $1.8m

20 hours ago, falconidae said:

No it doesn't. A straight pay cut is just that. His salary goes from 7 mil next year to 1 mil. That 6 mil just disappears, never to be seen again. Doesn't happen often, it does happen. Falcons had 2 players take straight pay cuts to stay on the team this year. Like I said Vick did it with the eagles and 60 mil of contracted salary just vanished. 

Panthers do it to keep the cap hit from accelerating and having 14.7 mil of dead money against the cap in 2019. Kalil does it because he knows he's getting cut unless he does it and having 1 mil is better than having 0. 

Probably have to pay him more than the vet minimum to get him to agree to it, say 2 mil in salary and playing time incentives [hah again] to make up the difference. Still save money and avoid the cap hit for another year, until it's more manageable.

More times than not when you hear about a player taking a reduced salary it is a restructure and they are just converting salary to signing bonus.  Another scenario would be if they reduce their current salary and the team guarantees some future money.

There are a few cases when players take true pay cut but that is usually when the team has some leverage.  An example of this would be an older, declining player who has a large base salary coming up.  Lets say hypothetical player is due $12m in salary next year but the but the player and his agent know if he is released the market will probably only pay him $4m.  If the team offers him a reduction rom $12m to $6m he might take that because he knows that is the most he will probably get any where.

With Kalil, why would he take $1m in 2019?  He can easily go to another team for $2m.  There is no leverage there for the team.  

Also according to the link above that $7m is guaranteed for injury so its really a moot point right now.

[UpstatePanther]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't mind keeping Kalil around as a backup. He is not starter material. But perhaps taking the load off him to do something he obviously can't do will free him up to focus on being the best he can in a pinch. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic. But the tackle situation has wavered between utter poo and barely serviceable since Gross retired. We need to start drafting linemen.

And safeties.

[SOJA]

We swung and missed big time on Kalil but there really wasn't much we could have done differently,  especially if Whitworth was only interested in signing in Los Angeles. I would be interested to see if we had contact with him and how far those talks got. 

We could have gone the Reiley Reiff route as he has been marginally better. 

 

What really fuged us was Oher having a career ending injury out of the blue.  

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, SOJA said:

We swung and missed big time on Kalil but there really wasn't much we could have done differently

This isn't a swing and a miss. This is an unmitigated disaster that we will be very lucky to overcome this season in a very competitive division with the likes of Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.

[AU-panther]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

This isn't a swing and a miss. This is an unmitigated disaster that we will be very lucky to overcome this season in a very competitive division with the likes of Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.

Him getting hurt or signed to start with?

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, AU-panther said:

Him getting hurt or signed to start with?

We knew he had huge question marks about his knees when we signed him did we not?

[SOJA]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

This isn't a swing and a miss. This is an unmitigated disaster that we will be very lucky to overcome this season in a very competitive division with the likes of Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.

Again other than Whitworth (no guarantee he even spoke to us) and Reiff what could we have done?

Genuinely curious, there were a lot of people on this board who were angry when we signed Kalil and there anger was rightly justified. 

[TheRed]

Just now, SOJA said:

Again other than Whitworth (no guarantee he even spoke to us) and Reiff what could we have done?

We ended up drafting Moton anyways. So maybe not sign him?

[trueblade]

21 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

See above.

And remind me, when was Marty hired again?

How much of the roster was already built by that point?

The only point I'd ask you to consider as far as credit for last season is the Kelvin Benjamin trade.

Edit: Okay, I looked it up. While the offense seemed to open up following the trade the actual records similar (5-3 before trade, 6-2 after trade).

[SOJA]

18 minutes ago, TheRed said:

We ended up drafting Moton anyways. So maybe not sign him?

If we had gone into that draft with no viable option at LT it would have been asinine. We could have either missed on Moton or he could have been worse than Amini

[Toomers]

25 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Again other than Whitworth (no guarantee he even spoke to us) and Reiff what could we have done?

Genuinely curious, there were a lot of people on this board who were angry when we signed Kalil and there anger was rightly justified. 

Kelvin Beachum

Russell Okung

That’s 4 options that were available. There was never a reason to talk to Matt Kalil until all those players had signed. And then you still don’t give him 25M guaranteed.

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, SOJA said:

If we had gone into that draft with no viable option at LT it would have been asinine.

As asinine as tying up 55 million of our salary cap for a player that isn't even going to see a down of football this season while we field scraps and rookies in our secondary?

[tondi]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

As asinine as tying up 55 million of our salary cap for a player that isn't even going to see a down of football this season while we field scraps and rookies in our secondary?

Hell we could have kept Norwell and be talking about our Oline as a strength right now with Moton at LT.