I would like to talk about this Matt Kalil situation

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's kind of an important word 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

You made a lot of noise without providing anything of substance.

I know it pains you to attribute anything negative with DG, I rarely post but I see the nonsense you spew all the time and try to camouflage it as facts.

Tell me how consistent the Panthers were with DG and Rivera running the ship. In fact they damn near sunk the thing with that 6-10 season. Keep clutching that 15-1 season tight to your chest like it's your firstborn because without it Gettleman was an average GM with as many Super Bowl's as Hurney.

Well, let's see: Three winning seasons out of five, four playoff appearances out of five, best season in team history, Super Bowl appearance, overall winning percentage significantly higher than previous (I can do the math on that for you if you need). So...pretty consistent.

Mind you, Hurney was consistent with Rivera too, but not in the way you'd like.

FYI: Trying everything possible to downplay the 15-1 season shows just how sh--ty your argument is.

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

You made a lot of noise without providing anything of substance.

I know it pains you to attribute anything negative with DG, I rarely post but I see the nonsense you spew all the time and try to camouflage it as facts.

Tell me how consistent the Panthers were with DG and Rivera running the ship. In fact they damn near sunk the thing with that 6-10 season. Keep clutching that 15-1 season tight to your chest like it's your firstborn because without it Gettleman was an average GM with as many Super Bowl's as Hurney.

 So if without that season he’s an average GM, what does adding it mean? Considering it’s 20% of his resume. That would have to make him above average, at worst. Correct? What was your point again?

[PantherNation123]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

If you and a turnip took an IQ test, I'd give it better than zero odds that the turnip would have a chance to outscore you.

How old is the turnip though? Pretty young? Or chance it could have dementia from old age?

[Pup McBarky]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

 So if without that season he’s an average GM, what does adding it mean? Considering it’s 20% of his resume. That would have to make him above average, at worst. Correct? What was your point again?

Oh poo. Don't throw logic at him!

[MillionDollarCam]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  We could have continued the “consistent” losing every year that was happening for 4 years prior. Would that kind of “consistency” be preferred? I know the protocol is to ignore one of the best regular seasons in league history to make this a close race, but that’s not how reality works. Everything counts. Once again, when does Hurney officially start getting credit? 2023? Are these next 5 years the Gettleman era? Y’all should print up a rule book or manifesto so we can keep up. 

I tried to make it known that I credit our coaches with the trials and tribulations of our seasons and attribute player success and cap management to general managers.

I wasn't even going to bring up previous records or detail the success and failures of the Panthers as the original post was in reference to Matt Kalil.

However, Scot, as a true DG apologist, decided to explicitly reference last year as DG's season.

I in turn responded with the same arguement for Hurney.

We don't have a rubric for how to grade GM's but based purely off of player evaluation and cap management both Hurney and DG left a lot to be desired.

I do believe Hurney has done a solid job thus far in his return.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Toomers said:

 So if without that season he’s an average GM, what does adding it mean? Considering it’s 20% of his resume. That would have to make him above average, at worst. Correct? What was your point again?

But see, if you take out the eight crappy seasons that Hurney had - especially that 2010 one - and look at only the three good ones, he's clearly a great GM.

(that's how it works, right?)

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I tried to make it known that I credit our coaches with the trials and tribulations of our seasons and attribute player success and cap management to general managers.

I wasn't even going to bring up previous records or detail the success and failures of the Panthers as the original post was in reference to Matt Kalil.

However, Scot, as a true DG apologist, decided to explicitly reference last year as DG's season.

I in turn responded with the same arguement for Hurney.

We don't have a rubric for how to grade GM's but based purely off of player evaluation and cap management both Hurney and DG left a lot to be desired.

I do believe Hurney has done a solid job thus far in his return.

You grade them based on whether the teams they put together win games or not.

Is that really a difficult thing to understand?

And dude, when you're trying everything possible to discount the best season in team history, calling somebody else an apologist looks pretty dumb.

[MillionDollarCam]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Well, let's see: Three winning seasons out of five, four playoff appearances out of five, best season in team history, Super Bowl appearance, overall winning percentage significantly higher than previous (I can do the math on that for you if you need). So...pretty consistent.

Mind you, Hurney was consistent with Rivera too, but not in the way you'd like.

FYI: Trying everything possible to downplay the 15-1 season shows just how sh--ty your argument is.

I'm not downplaying the 15-1 season at all.

But if you ask a Patriots fans if they are happy with their nearly perfect season they win or the Super Bowl's they've won your argument isn't going to mean much.

I's rather go 12-4 four straight years rather than 12-4, 7-8-1, 15-1, and 6-10. I mean my God man, that screams average.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MillionDollarCam said:

I'm not downplaying the 15-1 season at all.

But if you ask a Patriots fans if they are happy with their nearly perfect season they win or the Super Bowl's they've won your argument isn't going to mean much.

I's rather go 12-4 four straight years rather than 12-4, 7-8-1, 15-1, and 6-10. I mean my God man, that screams average.

What exactly does three winning seasons out of eleven, including four straight losing seasons near the end, scream?

[MillionDollarCam]

6 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 So if without that season he’s an average GM, what does adding it mean? Considering it’s 20% of his resume. That would have to make him above average, at worst. Correct? What was your point again?

Adding it still makes him an average GM as Scot continues to give last season to DG.

We had two winning season and two losing seasons with DG, the definition of average. It's pretty explicit.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I tried to make it known that I credit our coaches with the trials and tribulations of our seasons and attribute player success and cap management to general managers.

I wasn't even going to bring up previous records or detail the success and failures of the Panthers as the original post was in reference to Matt Kalil.

However, Scot, as a true DG apologist, decided to explicitly reference last year as DG's season.

I in turn responded with the same arguement for Hurney.

We don't have a rubric for how to grade GM's but based purely off of player evaluation and cap management both Hurney and DG left a lot to be desired.

I do believe Hurney has done a solid job thus far in his return.

That’s a lot of words for....”cause I said so”. There are plenty of ways to judge a GM. Most owners look at winning. Another is if they are in demand when available. Both landslide wins for DG. But you want to ignore anything tangible and just make it up as you go along. Whatever....

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MillionDollarCam said:

Adding it still makes him an average GM as Scot continues to give last season to DG.

We had two winning season and two losing seasons with DG, the definition of average. It's pretty explicit.

Even if you give Hurney that last season, (which is pretty ridiculous given that he had zero to do with building the roster) that's still only four winning seasons out of twelve.

If 2-2 is "average" what's 4-8?

[MillionDollarCam]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What exactly does three winning seasons out of eleven, including four straight losing seasons near the end, scream?

What does, DG wasn't the GM last season scream?

Keep trying bud. You are picking and choosing which season goes with who. It's pathetic and reaching.