Khalil Mack anyone?

[rmoneyg35]

I would trade two first rounders for Mack. Trading for him would instantly improve our team. Those first rounders would be late round. Imagine Mack paired up with Kk Short, not to mention we have Poe taking up blockers and he offers pass rush ability for a few years and also Addison on the other end for another few years. 

 

 

Our secondary would instantly improve because a great pass rush Always improves the secondary. We would be able to get by with an average secondary and still be great with that front four. Add our great linebacker corps and we would no doubt have a top 5 defense every year for the next few  seasons guaranteed as long as everyone is healthy.

 

But here is the truth. The raiders don’t want to get rid of him and won’t get rid of him. We would more than likely have to give up an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick.

[NAS]

6 hours ago, Professor Chaos said:

I wish there was a feature to automatically block threads like this so they never even enter my brain.

Hahaha that was a good one.  Sorry...not sorry 

[ncfan]

9 hours ago, rmoneyg35 said:

I would trade two first rounders for Mack. Trading for him would instantly improve our team. Those first rounders would be late round. Imagine Mack paired up with Kk Short, not to mention we have Poe taking up blockers and he offers pass rush ability for a few years and also Addison on the other end for another few years. 

 

 

Our secondary would instantly improve because a great pass rush Always improves the secondary. We would be able to get by with an average secondary and still be great with that front four. Add our great linebacker corps and we would no doubt have a top 5 defense every year for the next few  seasons guaranteed as long as everyone is healthy.

 

But here is the truth. The raiders don’t want to get rid of him and won’t get rid of him. We would more than likely have to give up an additional 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Then the real question

 

Who are you willing to give up to get him

 

Cam, Turner, and Olsen?

Or KK, Luke, and Olsen?

 

 

People think it just simple to just throw the 2 1st and grab him.

We are strapped for cash right now.  Even if we get them to take Kalil as part of the dea (which they wont) we wouldn't be close to afford to grab him.

We have little to no space right now.

 

Mack is holding out because he want to be the highest paid edge rusher.  Which generally is waht happens with elite players like that

Von Miller is on a 6 year 114.5 million contract.  A little over 19 a year.  Mack will want North of that.

To put it perspective.  Matt Kalil's contract that is killing us is roughly 11 mil a year.  Mack will require 20-21 mil a year.

 

 

Would be nice to have him.  But theres this thing called a cap and this isnt madden, so it cant happen

 

 

 

 

 

Plus we have guys like Funchess and Williams who will be FA.  And Shaq (will use 5th year option this year) 

Then Cam only has 2 years left, and youve seen teams locking their franchise QB up recently (Stafford, Ryan, Rodgers, etc)

[ncfan]

If im the the Jets though, im Alllll over this and pulling the trigger.

It could go 2 ways.  They dont do great this yeat and they threw away a high 1st and a 2019 1st.

 

But jets are wanting to win now, theyve been down for awhile with the Patriots making them their b!tch

 

They are in the perfect situation though to grab him.  Theyve built a young up and coming STUD defense including guys like Leonard Williams, Jamal Adams, Trumaine Johnson, etc.  The one thing theyre missing, and Have missed for the last decade is that stud edge rusher.  Mack can be that missing piece.

 

They also have the Cap space.  The worked on clearing space this offseason in hopes to land Cousins.  They didnt, but landed a QB in the draft who looks like he's going to be a good one, and he's going to be on a cheap rookie contract the next 5 years.  

Bringing Mack makes them a elite D, and a young up and coming QB.  No they dont have the 2 1sts anymore.  But they still have cap space to put pieces around Darnold

[NAS]

Donald just got 6 year, $135MM.  That's QB type of money for a DT.  This is getting crazy.  

 

[Mr. Scot]

18 hours ago, NAS said:

Possibly the worst trade in the history of the NFL. 

What the Redskins parlayed those picks into was obscene.

[ncfan]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Nah, not with the cap rolling over. Chances are those are a top 10 and top 10-15 pick. There’s a chance if Darnild has growing pains that next year is top 5. That’s two really good players for 10 years at a fraction of Mack’s 5 years, the first two of which are likely wasted. If I’m the Jets, I enjoy sucking for two years and get the best WRs in the draft the next two years and give Darnold weapons. Carry over the cap space and then load up. 

Unless im missing something, with the cap rolling over theyre still having a huge ammount of space theyre due to have around 81mil of open cap next year.

Those pick may be top 15 picks next year, but with Mack I highly doubt you get a top 10 pick.

 

1. Your banking on them hitting a homerun in the draft, thats not always the case. So your taking a chance

2. "If I’m the Jets, I enjoy sucking for two years and get the best WRs in the draft the next two years and give Darnold weapons."  thats what that cap space is for.  You opened all that room to get Cousins. And now your left with space to use it on those WRs and such while you dont have a franchise QB contract on the books.

3. Even if Mack flops the D could carry them.  Heck look at teams like the Broncos, Vikings etc whos defenses carried them.  The Jets D is loaded with you talent and really started to come on at the end and win them a few games without any form of offense.  The only big weakness on the D they had last year were CB (they went and signed the most sought after CB in free agency Johnson) and Edge rusher which a guy like Mack who is one of the best in the game at that fills that hole.  

 

 

 

 

 

Or you can just hold onto that $$$ throw it away to someone who doesnt deserve that much $$ because you dont use it on a star.  Continue to suck.  Continue to gather draft picks and pray they turn out.  Then after 5 years us sucking, throw away big QB $$$ to Darnold.  Then your tied to Darnold and a bunch of Jags for the next 10 years and become the next Detroit Lions.

 

Or you can use that money and go for the W's like Jacksonville has done recently while your not paying top QB money compete

 

 

 

 

Also, dont think its going to take 2 1st.

Saw a writer earlier predicting a 1st and 2nd tops.  Stating after the Aaron Darnold deal.  The Raiders are pretty much out of any Mack deal because they wont be able to afford him.  And with that price tag only a few teams will driving the trade value down.  They wont be able to afford+limited teams that can at moment this late= lower trade value

[iamhubby1]

    With 2 1st round picks, and the salary he will demand. He is basically untouchable. Going to be interesting to watch this play out. Because the Raiderz are front and center right now. Everyone is watching, and waiting to see where this leads. How they handle this could very well affect them for years.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

    With 2 1st round picks, and the salary he will demand. He is basically untouchable. Going to be interesting to watch this play out. Because the Raiderz are front and center right now. Everyone is watching, and waiting to see where this leads. How they handle this could very well affect them for years.

Like one writer said today.  With that Darnold deal that just went down. 

Raiders may have just been knocked out of the race for Mack bause they dont have the space for that kind of contract 20+ a year that he's going to get now.

And only a few teams that can.

The picks they are going to get for him are going down

[ncfan]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I just don’t think the Jets are that close. You mentioned an up and coming defense as if they are anywhere in the same vicinity as 2015 Denver. They were the 9th worst scoring D, only one TD away from 5th worst. Adding Mack isn’t making them a top D enough that the D can carry them.

I’d use the cap for FAs, not give up two top 15 picks. They aren’t a playoff contender this or next year with Mack and no first round picks.

I’d rather have a 3-4 year plan when Brady is likely done and you’ve got money flush to pay your key guys like Williams and sign some FAs in year 3. And you have two top 10/15 picks as well. 

Thing is, the raiders are only going to end up getting a 1st and 3rd or second from him.

You Maaay give up 1 top 15 pick.

 

And throw in Mack to that defense that was there at the end of last year in addition to Trumaine Johnson.  Playing that weak division, your a legit wild card contender.  Just look at buffalo last year

[iamhubby1]

16 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Mack plus Trumaine <> Campbell, Dareus, Jackson, Boue and Church and Jax has better draft picks on D. Jax spent 2 years on FAs along with some solid drafts on D. Denver was solid across the D, not just Miller. The Bills were happy to get to the playoffs and yet they weren’t even close to a legitimate contender.

1 1st is a lot different but Jax just went FA with their huge cap room, they didn’t give up 1sts otherwise maybe they don’t have Ramsey.

I don’t think the Jets are close and I wouldn’t waste draft picks. I’d rather just spend in FA and keep my high draft picks the next couple years while Darnold improves. 

 

    Teams are learning that draft picks are important. Not sure there are many teams willing to give up 2. Let alone 2 1st. Plus that contract he is going to want. Oakland is in a tough spot. 

 

    

   

[rmoneyg35]

14 hours ago, ncfan said:

Then the real question

 

Who are you willing to give up to get him

 

Cam, Turner, and Olsen?

Or KK, Luke, and Olsen?

 

 

People think it just simple to just throw the 2 1st and grab him.

We are strapped for cash right now.  Even if we get them to take Kalil as part of the dea (which they wont) we wouldn't be close to afford to grab him.

We have little to no space right now.

 

Mack is holding out because he want to be the highest paid edge rusher.  Which generally is waht happens with elite players like that

Von Miller is on a 6 year 114.5 million contract.  A little over 19 a year.  Mack will want North of that.

To put it perspective.  Matt Kalil's contract that is killing us is roughly 11 mil a year.  Mack will require 20-21 mil a year.

 

 

Would be nice to have him.  But theres this thing called a cap and this isnt madden, so it cant happen

 

 

 

 

 

Plus we have guys like Funchess and Williams who will be FA.  And Shaq (will use 5th year option this year) 

Then Cam only has 2 years left, and youve seen teams locking their franchise QB up recently (Stafford, Ryan, Rodgers, etc)

I agree but we can still dream.

 

I think we will cut Kalil after next season or restructure him.

 

if they were to let D Williams go after letting one of the top 3 guards in the league Andrew Norwell go I would have to question the competency of the GM. You have to protect your Qb especially when he gets older. You don’t let top tackles walk in the prime of their career.

Williams could be making a lot less next year due to this injury he currently has. Add the fact we have most of the team under contract and the salary cap rises every year, I see no reason why they cannot keep Williams.

[hepcat]

Looks like Mack is going to the Bears 

[steven8989]

Wow Mack to the bears I wonder what they gave up for him. That really hurts the raiders. How stupid