Cam completed 65% of his passes tonight

[amcoolio]

I like the offense and the numbers but lets not get too carried away, New England's defense appears to be extremely bad this year, even worse than last year. Definitely taking some Patriots in fantasy because they will have to score a lot to keep up.

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

11 hours ago, panthers55 said:

his receivers came back for the ball.

This is what's been missing all these years. WRs with awareness. I can't count how many times I've screamed at the television for the receivers to come back to the ball and help Cam out. Play design is helping a lot as well.

[panthers55]

29 minutes ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

It’s a combination of perfectionist and scheme you are obviously blind if you didn’t notice in the Preaseason games lol!

Traditional run plays > read option 

If you think most of our plays were read option before then you have no clue. The read option is a play run out of an option formation. The option formation is one set of packages within a spread formation which we do run. And our spread formations are one of the ways we have adapted our Coryell  system. And remember Chud put in the read option not Shula. Now if you want to discuss the change in emphasis in our run blocking scheme we can. But the change in read option plays is our desire to.limit Cam's runs by eliminating that option to get him to be more of a pocket passer. That is something that Shula didn't do well and one of the reasons he was replaced.

[panthers55]

15 minutes ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

This is what's been missing all these years. WRs with awareness. I can't count how many times I've screamed at the television for the receivers to come back to the ball and help Cam out. Play design is helping a lot as well.

I don't think the plays are that different. What is different is the team speed, better offensive line play despite the injuries and Cam looking to throw instead of run. How many times did he just run in the past versus looking downfield and throwing to receivers. I remember the announcers saying that you couldn't cover CMC from one  side of the field to the other. Certainly not with a linebacker.

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I don't think the plays are that different. What is different is the team speed, better offensive line play despite the injuries and Cam looking to throw instead of run. How many times did he just run in the past versus looking downfield and throwing to receivers. I remember the announcers saying that you couldn't cover CMC from one  side of the field to the other. Certainly not with a linebacker.

Someone said it yesterday but the difference in the playcalling and design was on display yesterday. No bunched/layered routes where WRs are in the same area but more spread out. Our weapons last season were Funch and CMC. That's was pretty much it with Olsen out for injury and Dickson not being consistent. Cam isn't a one read and run QB like RGIII, the play simply wasn't there most of the time. He's not perfect as far as making the right read all the time but he does have good vision. Norv even said as much. We had speed last season as well, remember?

(Yeah, this read all over the place but hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say)

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Woodie said:

I think Ron always wanted Norv as his OC.  Timing didn't work, and for whatever reason, Norv went elsewhere.  I honestly believe that Ron kept Shula around because he was waiting on Norv to become available again.  So, when Norv left Minnesota, it freed Ron to make the switch.  

I think you are right. Ron wanted to keep Cam in the Coryell system and how many of the available options knew that system and would be compatible with Ron's philosophy. So Shula stayed around. When Shula couldn't adapt to change to a more passing offense and Cam appeared to regress, it was obvious a change was needed. When Norv became available it was a matter of Ron convincing Norv to take the job since Norv had little to prove and didn't need the money. I suspect the Minnesota debacle left a bad taste in his mouth and he didn't want to go out like that. Cam gave him a unique challenge and getting the weapons he needed surely makes it attractive to be here.

[panthers55]

19 minutes ago, XOBlackxJokerOX said:

Someone said it yesterday but the difference in the playcalling and design was on display yesterday. No bunched/layered routes where WRs are in the same area but more spread out. Our weapons last season were Funch and CMC. That's was pretty much it with Olsen out for injury and Dickson not being consistent. Cam isn't a one read and run QB like RGIII, the play simply wasn't there most of the time. He's not perfect as far as making the right read all the time but he does have good vision. Norv even said as much. We had speed last season as well, remember?

(Yeah, this read all over the place but hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say)

Our speed last year was mostly hurt as Byrd and Samuel played little. CMC helped but he was too easy to key on  as he was the only fast guy. Both Benjamin and Funchess we're big possession receivers not fast. And lets be honest, if 2 receivers are in the same location that is rarely play design versus execution. And what you call a layered route is what you want when you flood a zone or send receivers deep to clear a zone to open up the underneath routes. There are some differences in the play design this year but that is not what is making the difference folks see. Now when we actually game plan for opponents that might change but really things are still relatively vanilla and much of that can be attributed to having to  simplify the blocking schemes because we had to shuffle the Oline so much. it is hard to do much besides the basics when you have different groups in there all the time 

[BigSyke]

The "take what the defense gives you" and check down percentage.

Its basically what Brady,Brees do and why they hover around the high 60 completion rate.

Cam has been in a Air Coryell system without air Coryell personnel.(no oline, no deep speed at wr, worst OC in NFL living off dad's name)

Even Pff stat nerds say Cam is the most accurate down the field passer between tight windows. Cam has had to work miracles to get the ball down field with high school level talent at times it seems.

Now Cam has to make sure his footwork stays consistent, he checks down more(which he should have on the play he hurt his eye), and anticipate/lead throws more before windows close(I think this comes with more trust and chemistry with wr). 

[beastson]

I just want to win a Superbowl.

[tiger7_88]

14 hours ago, saX man said:

8th year, I'm going to sound like a glokinspiel but stats ain't got not no hot sauce.  

 

[tiger7_88]

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

Sometimes things happen for a reason. It hasn't been all bad. Fiddle with that timeline, and who knows what would've happened.

Perhaps everything comes together this season with fresh blood and tweaked approaches from the top down.

So you're saying that, if I had a time machine and went back and assassinated Don Shula as a teenager, that unexpected things might happen?

;)

[CPF4LIFE]

7 hours ago, Woodie said:

I think Ron always wanted Norv as his OC.  Timing didn't work, and for whatever reason, Norv went elsewhere.  I honestly believe that Ron kept Shula around because he was waiting on Norv to become available again.  So, when Norv left Minnesota, it freed Ron to make the switch.  

This is a hell of a reach, nobody should  be given Rivera a pass for sticking with shula that damn long. If he really sat around for years and waited to till one guy became available to improve a team who consistently had a underperforming offense he should have been fired. 

[JawnyBlaze]

10 hours ago, rippadonn said:

Not being the tallest guy it would help him if he located and attacked the ball. Maybe I missed that but I haven't seen IT yet. When he learns to turn up his aggression level a bit more he'll be more than advertised. He can go to the Panther archive and watch #87 and #89 for what the difference is.

I’ve actually seen him attack the ball a number of times. That underthrown ball in the first game that was kind of a floater, he came back to it and attacked it at the highest point. There was a pass in the second game that came in on the other side of the defender and Moore tried to attack it but the defender had better position and knocked it out of his hands. I think he’s already the most aggressive catcher of the football we’ve had since Smitty. 

[Moo Daeng]

4 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

This is a hell of a reach, nobody should  be given Rivera a pass for sticking with shula that damn long. If he really sat around for years and waited to till one guy became available to improve a team who consistently had a underperforming offense he should have been fired. 

Blame Gettleman. Rivera OC choices sans Gman were aggressive classic  air coryell disciples. Enter Gettleman, enter Shula. Exit Gettleman, exit Shula. Then Shula follows Gettleman....weird how all those things lines up like that