What’s your solution to the tackle situation?

[*FreeFua*]

I’m sure the same people saying “no” to a trade are the same people who said “no” to trading for Duane Brown and most likely laughed at Seattle when they did it.

 

[KB_fan]

Trades can work. Jared Allen and Peanut Tillman in 2015 come to mind. But those are positions where depth is greater across the league.

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Oops, of course we didn't trade for Peanut. Don't know what I was thinking...but the Allen trade did work out pretty well.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

I’m sure the same people saying “no” to a trade are the same people who said “no” to trading for Duane Brown and most likely laughed at Seattle when they did it.

 

I don't think anyone is saying no. All options have to be on the table but the trade scenarios are much more difficult to pull off. You have to find a willing partner, an acceptable price and account for any and all cap implications this year and moving forward. I don't think anyone is suggesting we flat out don't bother pursuing trades. Rather, the likelihood of being able to arrange one is probably rather low. 

[Smithers]

We can always ask the opposing defense if they’ll agree to a 3 second Mississippi rule 

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I’m sure the same people saying “no” to a trade are the same people who said “no” to trading for Duane Brown and most likely laughed at Seattle when they did it.

 

Nobody is saying "no" to a trade...they are saying "who", and "how".

Want to know something that scares me?  A desperate Marty Hurney calling around asking about left tackles.

[*FreeFua*]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I don't think anyone is saying no. All options have to be on the table but the trade scenarios are much more difficult to pull off. You have to find a willing partner, an acceptable price and account for any and all cap implications this year and moving forward. I don't think anyone is suggesting we flat out don't bother pursuing trades. Rather, the likelihood of being able to arrange one is probably rather low. 

I get that and acknowledged it in the OP. 

We already know what’s on this roster and it’s garbage. So Hurney and his retarded little minions need to be trying everything right now.

I mentioned a few names and they’re both worth kicking the tires on imo.

[Moorgan]

41 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

First of all there is no true solution for the tackle situation. never ceases to amaze me how many people thinks that good tackles grow on trees and are readily available. The truth of the matter is that any tackle that is available right now and or gets cut in the Final Cuts of preseason, ain't worth starting.

I can't think of anything that is going to be willing to trade off one of their starting tackles.

So the best that we can do is continue to add depth.

Literally no one thinks that and no one in this thread has said anything like that. In fact, the opposite is being said in here. Who do you think is saying that?

[Manther]

Scheme has to play a role in this. Anyone we get now, is not going to be all-pro.  Here are some options

1)Have Cam pass from inside the pocket.

Cam's style of play makes it very hard on the tackles.  His deep drops give a direct line for a speed rusher, who could also switch to the inside or outside on his attack.  Stepping up into the pocket allows the tackle to just step back and circle to stay between the rusher and the qb.  This however destroys Cam's maneuverability, and all he can do is eat the ball Brady-style and go down when the pocket collapses.  Cam does NOT look comfortable when he has stepped up into the pocket.  I don't know if this could ever work.

2)Improve our screens and traps to punish over aggressive ends.

We do not do screen passes or traps well.  With Armah,  Thomas, and Olson to help out, just let the edge rusher over commit, and send the ball over or around him.  Punish the rush.

3)Run design roll out passes.

Though not popular, in combination with the option run,  this forces the secondary to choose between qb, runner and receiver.

To be honest.  I don't like our options here.  Hopefully Norv has an answer.

[Ricky Spanish]

If we do trade anything, I'm shopping Butler for an OT prospect. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Cracka McNasty said:

If we do trade anything, I'm shopping Butler for an OT prospect. 

You're going to need a good rotation on the dline because of all the 3 and outs the o is going to be handing them.  Let's not weaken both sides of the ball mkay.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, Manther said:

Scheme has to play a role in this. Anyone we get now, is not going to be all-pro.  Here are some options

1)Have Cam pass from inside the pocket.

Cam's style of play makes it very hard on the tackles.  His deep drops give a direct line for a speed rusher, who could also switch to the inside or outside on his attack.  Stepping up into the pocket allows the tackle to just step back and circle to stay between the rusher and the qb.  This however destroys Cam's maneuverability, and all he can do is eat the ball Brady-style and go down when the pocket collapses.  Cam does NOT look comfortable when he has stepped up into the pocket.  I don't know if this could ever work.

2)Improve our screens and traps to punish over aggressive ends.

We do not do screen passes or traps well.  With Armah,  Thomas, and Olson to help out, just let the edge rusher over commit, and send the ball over or around him.  Punish the rush.

3)Run design roll out passes.

Though not popular, in combination with the option run,  this forces the secondary to choose between qb, runner and receiver.

To be honest.  I don't like our options here.  Hopefully Norv has an answer.

I need to go back and look, and I could be completely wrong, but Cam doesn't really thrive throwing on the run, and we have never been a very good screen team...don't know if that's Cam or scheme..but you would think that Shula could have at least figured that out.

If Cam is good on roll outs and screens, and we haven't been using them more...then that's 100% on coaching.  My guess is he's not great at either of those things.

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Nobody is saying "no" to a trade...they are saying "who", and "how".

Want to know something that scares me?  A desperate Marty Hurney calling around asking about left tackles.

It’s no secret we’re desperate and there’s real no way we’re digging ourselves out of this mess without getting fleeced. It’s what happens when you make horrible decisions in FA. 

Of course we could just sit back and work with what we have instead of overpaying but you’re kidding yourself if you think that’ll turn out to be anything less than a complete disaster.

If Hurney can find a willing trade partner even if it’s Oakland for Donald Penn who is likely only going to play this season and mayyyybe next, I’m all for it. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I get that and acknowledged it in the OP. 

We already know what’s on this roster and it’s garbage. So Hurney and his retarded little minions need to be trying everything right now.

I mentioned a few names and they’re both worth kicking the tires on imo.

Options may not improve tremendously outside the current roster, unfortunately. While better players might be available, they might not be interested in us, we might not be able to agree with them on terms of the contracts, etc, etc. 

Really the only things we can discuss are potential options and I realize you are throwing out some. But, at the moment I think most are in a "wait and see" mode. I am all for scouring the earth and I am quite sure the FO is doing their due diligence to try and hustle some sort of options. At the end of the day, I am not sure we are going to be pleased with the results of that search. In fact, I would be surprised if many of us are at all.

This isn't a good time to be trying to rebuild your offensive line. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

If we do trade anything, I'm shopping Butler for an OT prospect. 

See that's another downside, though.

if you want to do a player for player swap, then to get somebody that's worth trading for, you likely have to give up somebody that you'd prefer to keep.

And while we may be deeper at some positions than others, injuries can change that dynamic real quick (see: last season).