Under the Radar: Glimpses and flashes of the future

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd still give Gilbert the edge over Heineke.  He just seems to be the more accurate passer of the two.

After a bad start last week, Gilbert settled down. He also has the arm strength advantage.

[Woodie]

31 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

After a bad start last week, Gilbert settled down. He also has the arm strength advantage.

But he's a statue.  He's fine when there's no pressure, but I don't think he has very good pocket mobility.  And I see Heineke as too inconsistent.  I like his mobility, but don't think I'd be comfortable with him leading this team...even for a game or two.

Bottom line for me is that both of these guys would be ok as 3rd string or PS developmental guys, but I don't think either are ready to be a #2.  My guess is we'll be looking to trade a mid to late round pick for a backup that's likely to be cut from a solid QB group or scouring the waiver wire when teams start making cuts. 

Personally, I'd love Bridgewater, but I think the Jets brought him in with the idea that they could use him as a trade chip if they got their QB of the future in the draft, so don't think they would part with him for anything less than a 3rd, and probably want a 2nd.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

But he's a statue.  He's fine when there's no pressure, but I don't think he has very good pocket mobility.  And I see Heineke as too inconsistent.  I like his mobility, but don't think I'd be comfortable with him leading this team...even for a game or two.

Bottom line for me is that both of these guys would be ok as 3rd string or PS developmental guys, but I don't think either are ready to be a #2.  My guess is we'll be looking to trade a mid to late round pick for a backup that's likely to be cut from a solid QB group or scouring the waiver wire when teams start making cuts. 

Personally, I'd love Bridgewater, but I think the Jets brought him in with the idea that they could use him as a trade chip if they got their QB of the future in the draft, so don't think they would part with him for anything less than a 3rd, and probably want a 2nd.

A few years ago I might have agreed, but I've seen what backup quarterbacks around the league these days look like.

If they ultimately do decide to go outside the current options, Matt Moore seems like a more likely option than Teddy Bridgewater.

[KB_fan]

If Jets were to keep Darnold & Bridgewater, any interest in Josh McCown?  Is he better than DA?  What would he cost?  I haven't watched any of the Jets games so far this season....

I still think we go with either Gilbert or Heinicke.  So hard to know which.  Gilbert has 1 year with Panthers.  Heinicke has time with Norv.  I honestly can't tell who's better right now.  They each have had ups & downs.

[Woodie]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

A few years ago I might have agreed, but I've seen what backup quarterbacks around the league these days look like.

If they ultimately do decide to go outside the current options, Matt Moore seems like a more likely option than Teddy Bridgewater.

On bad to mediocre teams, yeah, but it is irresponsible for a contending team to go into the season without a backup that can at least be a serviceable game manager, which I don't think either of these guys are at this point.  

And while I agree they probably won't look Bridgewater's way (primarily due to the cost), I don't think Moore's an option either.  A couple of years ago, sure, but nowadays, he's no better than Anderson.  More than likely, they'll go for a young guy they feel can manage the offense for a game or two if necessary.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Woodie said:

On bad to mediocre teams, yeah, but it is irresponsible for a contending team to go into the season without a backup that can at least be a serviceable game manager, which I don't think either of these guys are at this point.  

And while I agree they probably won't look Bridgewater's way (primarily due to the cost), I don't think Moore's an option either.  A couple of years ago, sure, but nowadays, he's no better than Anderson.  More than likely, they'll go for a young guy they feel can manage the offense for a game or two if necessary.  

Realistically, the vast majority of teams  who don't have an eagle for a mascot are screwed if their starter goes down, even contending teams.

There's also our cap situation. Yes, moves can be made, but it'd be tricky.

6 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

If Jets were to keep Darnold & Bridgewater, any interest in Josh McCown?  Is he better than DA?  What would he cost?  I haven't watched any of the Jets games so far this season....

I'd absolutely favor having McCown back if we could afford him.

As far as our current options go, don't discount that having Turner definitely helps.

[Woodie]

5 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

If Jets were to keep Darnold & Bridgewater, any interest in Josh McCown?  Is he better than DA?  What would he cost?  I haven't watched any of the Jets games so far this season....

I still think we go with either Gilbert or Heinicke.  So hard to know which.  Gilbert has 1 year with Panthers.  Heinicke has time with Norv.  I honestly can't tell who's better right now.  They each have had ups & downs.

I think he still has a bit left in the tank, so I'd take McCown in a heartbeat to be Cam's backup this year, but I'm not sure the team wants to pay what he would cost.  I think they want a cost-effective guy as backup.  I expect we'll pick up a guy who has looked good and has some experience, but won't break the bank...and a guy most here haven't ever heard of before.  

[Woodie]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Realistically, the vast majority of teams  who don't have an eagle for a mascot are screwed if their starter goes down, even contending teams.

There's also our cap situation. Yes, moves can be made, but it'd be tricky.

I'd absolutely favor having McCown back if we could afford him.

As far as our current options go, don't discount that having Turner definitely helps.

For an extended period, yes.  However, most contending teams have someone that can at least hold the fort for a game or two, and don't think either of our guys could do that at this point.

[Mr. Scot]

40 minutes ago, Woodie said:

For an extended period, yes.  However, most contending teams have someone that can at least hold the fort for a game or two, and don't think either of our guys could do that at this point.

They have an offensive coach who made Alex Smith look good at a time when everyone thought he was a bust.

You have to factor that in as well.

[RevJ]

Any chance Tepper's connection with Steelers could yield Josh Dobbs?

 

[ladypanther]

9 hours ago, MHS831 said:

He is on the down side of his career without ever having an upside

Ouch!

[TheSpecialJuan]

13 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Here are some "bottom of the roster" players that have been pleasantly surprising so far-without reiterating what has already been said:

LB: Jermaine Carter: The "other" rookie out of Maryland.  He has been quietly making plays and seems to be a very smart player.  I hated the pick, but we needed OLB depth if you think about it...with TD suspended and old, who do we have after Thompson?  Jacobs,  Mayo,  Norris, Smith---all seem better suited to play ILB.

LB: Jared Norris:  He has been playing fast and physical.  He has 9 tackles so far in 2 preseason games in limited action.  A solid special teamer too.  He is only 25, fwiw.

QB: Taylor Heinicke:  While he only stands 6-1 and weights 210, he is illusive and an accurate passer.  He has thrown for a combined (approx.) 200 yards this preseason.  I like his poise and he seems to take care of the ball without taking risks-pretty disciplined for a guy trying to make a roster as a young QB.

DE: Daeshon Hall:  While he is not making an impact on the stat sheet, he is developing nicely and playing fairly fast for a player with no experience.  The Corn interception was due to a forced pass caused by Hall.  He looks lean and fast for 265.  He reminds me of a young Mike Rucker, and is not that far behind where he was at this time in his career. 

TE Evan Baylis:  I watch TEs a lot, and every time I saw a good block by a player wearing an 80s jersey, it was 85. Not to be confused with Wesley Walls because he was blocking.  With Ian Thomas stepping up as a two-dimensional TE, maybe we could use a good blocking TE.

RB Elijah Hood: I did not think he would make this roster, but he might win the numbers game.  Artis-Payne is 28 already and has not shown that much as a RB or special teamster.  He is on the down side of his career without ever having an upside.  I think Barner has a shot, but he is 29 and is limited as a RB--more of a scat back.  Hood is a young (22) RB who has shown to be effective on the goal line in preseason.  At 230 lbs, he is intriguing.

CB/NB Corn Elder:  Elder is a gamer, and it shows in his tackling so far.  He is around the ball a lot, and when the light comes on, I think he will be a player.  The INT should carry him in terms of confidence.

Of course, I did not mention Van Roten, Samuels, Thomas, etc. because they have been getting some buzz--

 

 

 

 

 

nice work. i think hood has earned a ps-squad spot

[t96]

12 hours ago, top dawg said:

I don't know what to make of the lack of play, relatively, from Hood last night. They may be setting him up for the PS. I expect to see him a lot the last game. He's going to have to hold his own at least.

Damn! Didn't realize that Artis-Payne and Barber were so old. I guess relative mileage could make a difference, but they're getting up there. Personally, I'm tired of the Artis-Payne experiment.

Why do you say “experiment?” Guy has been rock solid when he’s seen the field... we’ve never given him a chance.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Why do you say “experiment?” Guy has been rock solid when he’s seen the field... we’ve never given him a chance.

He's been a solid enough average Joe. I don't think that we drafted him and have attempted to develop him just to be a backup. I think that if he had been a more dynamic back, then we wouldn't have felt the need to go in so high with the McCaffrey pick, or felt the need to get CJ Anderson. (who like C-Mac, can also catch). I mean, he apparently doesn't have hands, and his blocking is still apparently not up to par.