on the matt kalil massive sack on the cam 3 step drop

[Rags]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Matt Kalil is horrible.  He can’t block. 

But I kinda agree, that play isn’t really on Kalil.  He was suppose to cut the guy.  He did.  Was it perfect? No, but good enough IMO.  Cam didn’t take the easy layup the design of the play called for.   It was there.  Cam wanted a bigger play.  Which is something Cam does.  

Definitely. Like you said that's Cam. Sometimes it'll work and others it won't. Kalil trying to chop Quinn? Yeah it's best to take the dump off there.

[Ace_Aladdin]

4 minutes ago, Rags said:

He's not wrong that Cam held on to the ball too long, and needs to get it out quicker there, but man Matt was fugin' helpless there.

I hope we don't use this play too much against DEs like Quinn (with an abundance of speed and power) when Matt is 1-on-1 against them.  Either that or we just have Kalil do nothing but 1-on-1s with Addison and Hayes so he stops fugin panickingagainst speed rushers.

Cam should have made the protection adjustment knowing how good the defense is from the scouting report and experiencing it in the game. Make the fuging adjustment and move the ball! 

[Snake]

2 minutes ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

 

 

Cam is too indecisive a lot of times w/ his reads  you know the same ole consistency debate. 

In the NFL OL is gonna get beat especially against top tier competition, end of the day it’s up to the QB to make adjustment. Cam can audible , slide protection , roll alway but that comes with preparation. Be more like Brady & Rogers! 

Cam will never be either but it's the preseason and I'm sure it will be pointed out you have to make reads quicker. 

[Snake]

27 minutes ago, Dex said:

Bruh. He's a Panther so I'm going to root for him no matter what but damn, he's been in the league since 2012. I'm worried it's due to a lack of effort which scares me more than shortcomings in ability.

I think it's a lack of ability. If you watch Moton and his feet compared to Kalil it's night and day. Honestly neither Kalil is super athletic. Ryan just uses good tech to overcome it at a position that you can do that at. LTs need to be good athletes and you really can't skimp on that. 

[CRA]

and after watching it 57 times I don’t know if I even blame on Cam holding it.  Wake is a freak.  So since he survived the cut reasonable well he was in the pass lane to a degree and Cam could of viewed the odds too high he could of gotten and paw on the pass and blocked it up.   So Cam might of done the right thing and trying to find another option and ultimately you just chaulk it up to Wake making a good play....because you know...Wake is good.  Which happens.  Plenty of QBs ain’t gonna attempt that throw over and through Peppers either if he got his legs under him that quick and was in that position 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Snake said:

I think it's a lack of ability. If you watch Moton and his feet compared to Kalil it's night and day. Honestly neither Kalil is super athletic. Ryan just uses good tech to overcome it at a position that you can do that at. LTs need to be good athletes and you really can't skimp on that. 

Ryan IMO was underrated earlier in his career in terms of his athletic ability.  He has lost a lot of it but few centers in the NFL were as good getting downfield to block on designed plays as Ryan.

[Snake]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Ryan IMO was underrated earlier in his career in terms of his athletic ability.  He has lost a lot of it but few centers in the NFL were as good getting downfield to block on designed plays as Ryan.

I disagree, he was definitely a really good at leveraging his guy but flat out massive power with speed like Moton has and Otah had that one year he doesn't. 

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Snake said:

I disagree, he was definitely a really good at leveraging his guy but flat out massive power with speed like Moton has and Otah had that one year he doesn't. 

well were talking athletic ability....not physicality at the position. 

And I still say, go back 5 -7 years and there was no center in the NFL that could run, get downfield and block like Ryan Kalil.  It was an instructional tape.   Was always vastly underrated in what he did for the run game on those plays IMO.  

I’m not saying he is a freak show.  Just underrated years ago for what all he did.  But Ryan isn’t the C he once was. Father Time comes for everyone eventually 

as someone who always suggests parting with guys before most are comfortable....I advocated moving on from the Kalil bros.   Larsen is almost as good last season and cheaper 

[BigSyke]

I felt like Cam could have put the ball over the DT before he resets unless there was a corner who have picked sixed it.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, BigSyke said:

I felt like Cam could have put the ball over the DT before he resets unless there was a corner who have picked sixed it.

Cam would have had to float it. Given DB a chance to make up ground that doesn’t really show. Wake is a freak.   Not just a random DE.  

[Toomers]

 Watch the route combo where Cam is reading. Both WRs run outs. I think someone ran the wrong route of that is a poor play design. That’s why Cam pulls the ball back down.

[joeyxfresco]

The video doesn’t show the CB ready to jump the ball.

Also Khalil hit the ground too fast on the cut

Nice try on Geoff to try and bash Cam for the upteenth time though

[Cuttinedge]

Kalil fails miserably again. But Turner is on skates and pushed right back into Cams face. I know this will get crapped but TT ain’t what he was since getting paid 

And like one poster has already stated watch motons block compared to  Kalils ...night and day.     Which one again is 2nd year?

[KillerKat]

1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

The initial point is, however, that if Kalil had made a successful cut-block and took his man to the ground, Cam would never have held the ball "a little too long" because he would have whipped it to the open receiver in the flat (his first read) right away.

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand for some people. Of course he's going to hold it "a little too long" since Matt didn't do his job and his man disrupted the play.