CMAC Moves the chains.

[saints4lifeagain]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Scheme is the only reason he is effective. Panthers shut him down in the playoffs because they figured out the scheme. After that he was exposed. 

Stacking the box and having Brees throw all over your porous secondary isn't figuring out the scheme lol. He had over 100 yards against Minnesota. Exposed how?

38 minutes ago, Manther said:

Yeah Kamara really dodges those defenders running up the gut over an over.  

Fact of the matter is, Karama runs off tackle/end rounds.  Shula was a tool eos.

77 of Kamaras 141 rushes in the regular and post season were between LG and RG. 

[Chief Keek]

23 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Yeah, but that #1 though. 

I can't wait until we bust Kamara's ass this season.

[saints4lifeagain]

7 minutes ago, Chief Keek said:

I can't wait until we bust Kamara's ass this season.

 

[KB_fan]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

It is when those extra wins are the difference between a bye and HFA and a road playoff game. 

Yup, the Pats have it great.  And I can understand those who would love a bunch of easy wins guaranteed each year and thus an easy road to the playoffs.  But personally, I really love the grittyness of the NFC South and the unpredictability.  The Patriots are an amazing dynasty.  But pretty boring in some regards....

[Manther]

1 hour ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Stacking the box and having Brees throw all over your porous secondary isn't figuring out the scheme lol. He had over 100 yards against Minnesota. Exposed how?

77 of Kamaras 141 rushes in the regular and post season were between LG and RG. 

I call BS.  How many dodged defenders and broken tackles were in those 77 carries up the gut?   I watched his highlight videos, the plays were OVERWHELMING outside runs.  Two were up the middle, with holes big enough you could drive a truck through.  He didn't dodge or break tackles up the middle.

With better scheme  comes better blocking, comes more impressive yards.

Kamara is an awesome runner.   He made our defense look like poo the first two games. 

But,  if he was shoved up the middle with 8 in the box like we did twice last week with CMAC, he'd get just as many yards.  He's not leaping over the entire offensive line.

 

[saints4lifeagain]

6 minutes ago, Manther said:

I call BS.  Where did this stat come from?  How many yards, dodged defenders and broken tackles were in those 77 carries up the gut?  Was it trap blocking, or smash mouth as we like to play?  I know his yards against us were NOT up the middle.  Any youtube video of this?

I'll offer actual numbers, not just opinion, as is all you've offered.

[Manther]

2 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I'll offer actual numbers, not just opinion, as is all you've offered.

 

Uhh, I need defenders dodged and tackles broke per direction.  Watching his highlights, he didn't beat anybody up the middle. 

[saints4lifeagain]

59 minutes ago, Manther said:

Uhh, I need defenders dodged and tackles broke per direction.  Watching his highlights, he didn't beat anybody up the middle. 

Watch more football. Less highlights.

[saints4lifeagain]

You can literally watch the first 6 minutes of this video and almost every carry is right up the gut. I stopped at 6 minutes because I don't need to watch it for it to tell me what I already know and showed you.

 

[Manther]

7 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

You can literally watch the first 6 minutes of this video and almost every carry is right up the gut. I stopped at 6 minutes because I don't need to watch it for it to tell me what I already know and showed you.

 

Watched it.  There were HOLES, ...we have WALLS.   I know in your mind Kamara would magically plow through our walls...but unfortunately, he's NOT that kind of runner.

Whatch 4:26 where Kamara fights for a couple of yards.  That is Cmacs life.  In fact I'm surprised they included it, must be because its a first down.

 Watch 4:34, that is Kamaras life.  A hole so big, any runner could run through.  No magic.. no superpowers.

One time, he had a hole so big, I could make it though.  Kamara is a great runner.  He's not immortal, as our playoff game showed.

You can site stats and show film all you like, but they only reinforce the fact that Kamara had a better situation than McCaffrey here.   The aints had a top 5 five offense BEFORE Kamara joined.  They have a top five offense now.

We improved last year, not because of better scheme but largely because Mac would take what should have been a loss and turn it into 4 yards.

Unfortunately, last week didn't show much improvement either.  Norv sent Mac into wall twice in row.... leading to the end of the first series.    If he Shulas this offense, he will not last.

 

[saints4lifeagain]

30 minutes ago, Manther said:

Watched it.  There were HOLES, ...we have WALLS.   I know in your mind Kamara would magically plow through our walls...but unfortunately, he's NOT that kind of runner.

Whatch 4:26 where Kamara fights for a couple of yards.  That is Cmacs life.  In fact I'm surprised they included it, must be because its a first down.

 Watch 4:34, that is Kamaras life.  A hole so big, any runner could run through.  No magic.. no superpowers.

One time, he had a hole so big, I could make it though.  Kamara is a great runner.  He's not immortal, as our playoff game showed.

You can site stats and show film all you like, but they only reinforce the fact that Kamara had a better situation than McCaffrey here.   The aints had a top 5 five offense BEFORE Kamara joined.  They have a top five offense now.

We improved last year, not because of better scheme but largely because Mac would take what should have been a loss and turn it into 4 yards.

Unfortunately, last week didn't show much improvement either.  Norv sent Mac into wall twice in row.... leading to the end of the first series.    If he Shulas this offense, he will not last.

 

I never said Kamara could run through walls, and I know what CMC had to deal with last year, and with an even worse oline, will probably deal with it again this year. Look at the playoff game when the Panthers decided the run game wasn't going to beat them and stacked the box and run blitzed. Kamara averaged 2 YPC. He's not a magician. 

I'd be lying if I said I thought CMC was as good as Kamara, as I don't. I think CMC is a good back, and his statistics didn't necessarily show that last year. However, I think Kamara brings a bit more to the table, in ability to break tackles consistently. There aren't many times you ever see the first guy to hit Kamara bring him down, and that's why he led the league in forced missed tackles per touch. 

I realize scheme and oline play a big role for every RB, but if you can watch his film, or even those highlights and not come away seeing a special player, you don't want to.

[Manther]

1 minute ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I never said Kamara could run through walls, and I know what CMC had to deal with last year, and with an even worse oline, will probably deal with it again this year. Look at the playoff game when the Panthers decided the run game wasn't going to beat them and stacked the box and run blitzed. Kamara averaged 2 YPC. He's not a magician. 

I'd be lying if I said I thought CMC was as good as Kamara, as I don't. I think CMC is a good back, and his statistics didn't necessarily show that last year. However, I think Kamara brings a bit more to the table, in ability to break tackles consistently. There aren't many times you ever see the first guy to hit Kamara bring him down, and that's why he led the league in forced missed tackles per touch. 

I realize scheme and oline play a big role for every RB, but if you can watch his film, or even those highlights and not come away seeing a special player, you don't want to.

Ok, well looks like we're in violent agreement.  Kamara is, as I said before, an awesome runner and he's been given the chance to prove it.  Cmac deserves the chance to prove it too. 

Norv, look at those two plays up the gut in the first series and figure out what went wrong.   My guess, is that you need to establish the pass BEFORE you establish the run.  But I'm just an armchair coach.

[saints4lifeagain]

15 minutes ago, Manther said:

Ok, well looks like we're in violent agreement.  Kamara is, as I said before, an awesome runner and he's been given the chance to prove it.  Cmac deserves the chance to prove it too. 

Norv, look at those two plays up the gut in the first series and figure out what went wrong.   My guess, is that you need to establish the pass BEFORE you establish the run.  But I'm just an armchair coach.

I think if you're expecting giant holes in your running game this year, you'll be dissapointed. The oline, imo, is markdedly worse than last year. Now, playcalling can help, and not running dives into the back of you blockers helps, but guys also have to block. 

I do see Norv doing a better job of getting CMC in space. I'd like to see him be more decisive, and cut for a reason, not do the Reggie dance, which, by all accounts this offseason, he has. 

[Peppers90 NC]

54 minutes ago, Manther said:

Ok, well looks like we're in violent agreement.  Kamara is, as I said before, an awesome runner and he's been given the chance to prove it.  Cmac deserves the chance to prove it too. 

Norv, look at those two plays up the gut in the first series and figure out what went wrong.   My guess, is that you need to establish the pass BEFORE you establish the run.  But I'm just an armchair coach.

He isn't dogging CMC or anything to get defensive about. Kamara had an exceptionally efficient year. Almost so good how is it possible to improve on it rather than take a step back? We shall see.