Players that stood out to other players

[beastson]

LB Luke Kuechly: “Ian Thomas. Ian has done a really good job. He’s smooth, he catches the ball well. Big, strong, physical, blocks well.”

WR Torrey Smith: “Besides Luke? Donte Jackson. He’s probably grown more than any player I’ve ever seen over the course of an offseason. He’s playing very well, playing very confident. He’s been coachable.

CB James Bradberry: “Curtis Samuel. I think he’s taken a leap in his second year. We all know he’s explosive, but he was really attacking the ball in camp.”

LB Jermaine Carter: “Definitely Luke stands out. Just hearing his knowledge of the game… He’s on routes before the receivers are even breaking.”

[Moose Hoover]

bout time looke stood out, underachiever

[ncfan]

Im excited about the future of Moore, Samuel, and Ian Thomas with Cam.

Add those to the Vets, Olsen, Smith, Nad Wright

[Saca312]

1 hour ago, beastson said:

CB James Bradberry: “Curtis Samuel. I think he’s taken a leap in his second year. We all know he’s explosive, but he was really attacking the ball in camp.”

Seriously going to be pissed if Rivera wants to underutilize Samuel.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Very encouraging to hear that Jackson is standing out. We need him to.

[ladypanther]

11 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Seriously going to be pissed if Rivera wants to underutilize Samuel.

 

Ron will defer to Norv.  Relax.

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Very encouraging to hear that Jackson is standing out. We need him to.

I know there has been a lot of talk about Jackson standing out.

 

But Samuel is one though thats got me excited because we havnt heard much about him this camp like Moore, Jackson, and Thomas.

 

Samuel is ooozing with potential and was a High 2nd round pick for us just last year.  Just dealt with injures.  And one of his biggest weaknesses coming out was his hands, and this offseason he bought his own personal jug machine to work on it on his own

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Samuel is ooozing with potential and was a High 2nd round pick for us just last year.  Just dealt with injures.  And one of his biggest weaknesses coming out was his hands, and this offseason he bought his own personal jug machine to work on it on his own

If you were to ask me who I think is the most talented receiver in terms of potential, I'd argue Curtis Samuel is on top.

One thing that separates Samuel from everyone else is how good he is at route-running and winning at the line despite splitting time as RB & WR at Ohio State. That says a whole lot to what he can do down the line.

In a few years (if we keep Funchess), Funchess, Samuel, and DJ Moore would be a crazy good WR core. Even without Funchess, the future is very bright with these guys and even Damiere Byrd.

[ncfan]

Just now, Saca312 said:

If you were to ask me who I think is the most talented receiver in terms of potential, I'd argue Curtis Samuel is on top.

One thing that separates Samuel from everyone else is how good he is at route-running and winning at the line despite splitting time as RB & WR at Ohio State. That says a whole lot to what he can do down the line.

In a few years (if we keep Funchess), Funchess, Samuel, and DJ Moore would be a crazy good WR core. Even without Funchess, the future is very bright with these guys and even Damiere Byrd.

Samuel is good at that.

But I still say Moore is a better route runner.  Moore IMO is almost on the same level Route Running wise as OBDj coming out and looks like a Vet.  Moore has the Size and strength to go with the speed.  

But those 2, I think even by season are on the verge to dominate

 

[saints4lifeagain]

5 minutes ago, ncfan said:

But I still say Moore is a better route runner.  Moore IMO is almost on the same level Route Running wise as OBDj coming out and looks like a Vet.  

That's crazy lol.

[Saca312]

7 minutes ago, ncfan said:

But I still say Moore is a better route runner.

Have to disagree. I like Moore a lot, but imo Samuel's the one with the most potential.

One thing Moore is struggling with is his overall release and beating press. And if we want him to work outside, that's something he'll need to fix quick. 

Here's an excerpt from my post earlier

Whenever he lines up outside, defenders are able to press him and shut him down consistently with early jams. Moore shows poor ability with timing and technique with his release, causing separation issues. To make matters even worse, he shows uncertainty and low confidence on fades and vertical stems, often letting the defensive back run the route for him. Defenders constantly put their hands on Moore early and push him to the outside, since he lacks proper stacking ability. 

In the above clip, DJ Moore is matched up against the Wisconsin corner in press. At the snap, Moore shows off a weak release, allowing the defensive back to remain calm and jam him early. As seen, he has no counter to the move and lets the defensive back stick to him, forcing him towards the sideline. Moore is barely even in-bounds by the time the ball arrives. As a result, he is unable to complete the catch in-bounds and the corner gets off with an easy job.

According to Matt Harmon, Moore had a 65.4 percent success rate against press, just barely clearing the 40th percentile mark. A below average mark that isn’t encouraging.

However, context is also needed in this evaluation. For Moore, it’s clear it’s not a physical limitation, but rather a technique issue. Nothing from film or measurables indicates any issue physically the ability to perform against press. In JuJu’s case, the Steelers’ exceptional coaching staff taught him fundamentals and proper technique, ironing out his issues during his rookie year. It’s only fair the Panthers could easily do the same for Moore.

WR Coach Lance Taylor may be new to the Panthers, but his impact is already noticeable. For Devin Funchess, it’s clear his development elevated with Taylor’s addition. Showing far more confidence in his route-running and playing style, Funchess has grown so much in comparison to the year prior. Taylor shows he’s able to develop talent, and it’s hard not to expect the same thing could be done for Moore.

For Moore, he needs refinement in the timing of his release and use of hands against the jam. Learning these fundamentals at an NFL level should be able to fix up most of his issues. However, much like a pianist struggles to fix up certain measures they’ve repetitively played wrong, it won’t be the fastest transition. It is a learning process, but it’s a task that can be accomplished.

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I've also noticed even in some of Moore's 'highlight' catches from camp he's had poor separation at the line, letting Bradberry and Jackson stick with him all the way through. Where DJ Moore mostly wins is at the top of the route where he finds ways to separate using his hands and widening his catch radius. However, this isn't something that is easily done consistently + makes it a harder window for the QB to throw in.

But yes. Moore has potential, but as Samuel already shows solid route running + ability to win at the line, I'd give the nod to him so far.

 

 

 

[beastson]

17 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Seriously going to be pissed if Rivera wants to underutilize Samuel.

 

As someone said before, every throwing play should have Moore or Samuel on the field. No throwing play should have both of them on the sidelines

[Saca312]

@ncfan don't get me wrong that doesn't mean DJ Moore sucks at all. Far from it.

I just think Samuel has more potential as a consistent separator and getting open. However, I think Moore could easily be Steve Smith level real soon as well if he learns to time his release, beat jams, and win early.

Both could be HoF potential receivers tbh if they reach their ceiling. I know that sounds pretty crazy right now, but those two are bursting with talent.

Anyways, for DJ Moore fixing his press technique, Stevie Johnson would be a solid player for him to watch and learn from at that.

 

[KB_fan]

I would have loved to hear comments from more players...

It was great to hear Thomas, Jackson, Carter, Samuel mentioned.  I agree these 4 along with Moore have flashed.

I must say, I'm thrilled to see Samuel getting in on the action.  It was worrying when he started camp on the PUP.  It really does feel as many have said that anything we get from him is house money / gravy.   We had to act in drafting Moore and bringing in Free Agents as if Samuel might NOT be able to play much this year.  But now it looks like he might be able to play.   I'm very eager to see what he brings to our offense!