Kuechly praises Poe, essentially gives nod over Star

[YungHamm]

Forgot all about Star.  Who did he sign with again?

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, Servant of Cthululelei said:

Personally I think the criticisms of Star when he was coming out of college were probably accurate.  He's just not passionate about football in general.

Maybe someday I'll get around to changing my avatar....

I never saw him look lazy. Heck, he was pretty damn good his first few years. and I can't remember which year but one season a few years back when our defense was kind of on a down trend, he was one of the few players that actually looked like they were being effective.

Throw in that he didn't play a position / role that was naturally conducive to impressive stats. You really do have to look past the stat line when you're judging a nose tackle.

That said, I do remember that one of the knocks on his college career was a lack of passion. Lotulelei himself admitted that was a valid criticism but said it changed when he found out he was going to be a father. Signs pointed to that being true.

It is the kind of thing that sticks in the back of your mind though.

[top dawg]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not really. It just sounds like he's describing Poe's strengths. No comparison needed.

More to the point though, consider the source. Does Luke Kuechly really seem like the type of guy who'd ever talk down about a former teammate?

I guess that some of you don't understand the concept of "reading between the lines." Never did I say that Luke down-talked Star. I didn't even say he said anything "controversial." It's more about the compliments about Poe after basically saying that everyone was worried we were going to miss Star, but that we really don't. So to me and some others it's pretty easy to see.

I just don't think that it's a big stretch to think that Luke believes Poe is an upgrade from his comments. And I don't even see it as being controversial. 

[rayzor]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not really. It just sounds like he's describing Poe's strengths. No comparison needed.

More to the point though, consider the source. Does Luke Kuechly really seem like the type of guy who'd ever talk down about a former teammate?

Wouldn't be talking down a former teammate. It's talking up a current one need. He's got what star had going for him plus he's athletic. We all know that. It's obvious to us and everyone else that Poe brings more to the table...not sure why it wouldn't be the case that kuechly is pointing out Poe's strength as well. 

[Moo Daeng]

There is reading between the lines but this seems more like writing between the lines. 

[Snake]

11 hours ago, t96 said:

Ehh okay I wouldn't really say Shaq can "really rush the passer" with his 3 career sacks. And getting to the passer is the only area Luke doesn't excel at. TD I can see.

Are you really judging a guy who has barely gotten to play and still has 3 sacks. 

[t96]

6 minutes ago, Snake said:

Are you really judging a guy who has barely gotten to play and still has 3 sacks. 

Shaq played 64% of our defensive snaps last year. 10 less snaps than Mario, 141 more than Pep. And he blitzed on A LOT of those snaps under Wilks.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

People really think Shaq and Butler never play and that KB had 100 yards receiving for us and that Star never mad a tackle. The blind Gettleman hate really shows how much people actually watch or pay attention. I spit on KB now but it’s like if they were DG picks they were true busts like players that never contributed. 

Looking at Gettleman objectively goes both ways. No need to accuse everyone that is critical of Gettleman as a hater. That's ludicrous. Personally, I have praised G-man for some things, and criticised him for others. I think that it's quite natural to let time bare out certain things, whether they turn out good or bad, because such is the nature of football, growth and development.

Speaking for myself (and others can chime in if they like), one of my main problems with Gettleman was not necessarily the quality of player, but that they were luxury picks. There were other players at positions of need that I thought were better picks for us at the time. Landon Collins, Hunter Henry (or Derrick), and Marshon Lattimore were prime examples. And I know that our players could turn out great, but that---at least to me---will never absolve Gettleman missing on the moment and capitalizing on those windows (that he doesn't believe in) for a return to a championship. That's what you're not getting.

Now, if all of them contribute like a first rounder is supposed to contribute once they get more playing time, great! But the aforementioned guys I thought we should have picked would have to regress considerably (and really, uncharacteristically) before I'll think about giving Gettleman hero-worship status that some of you still seem to heap upon him. And I haven't even mentioned the real bungles that he perpetrated with the J-No debacle and the Kalil contract. 

So, no, it's not hate, just a very rational opinion.

[Snake]

4 hours ago, t96 said:

Shaq played 64% of our defensive snaps last year. 10 less snaps than Mario, 141 more than Pep. And he blitzed on A LOT of those snaps under Wilks.

He played the least amount of any LB on the team except for Mayo and still recorded 2 sacks while being used as a coverage LB.