Cam Newton went 11-5 last year and had a terrific playoff game capped off by a perfect Hail Mary pass that should have been caught for the W

[TheRed]

33 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

We definitely had zero run game until we really started to utilize his running skills a few weeks in, there is no denying that. Blocking and/or play calling was terrible, no matter who was running the ball.

While our defense wasnt that great, they gave up 20 ppg. Had that number been like 24, what would our record had been with everything else being the same since we are now doing hypotheticals? In that simple regards, the Panthers went 11-5.

There's nothing hypothetical about it. No other current starting QB would have been capable of leading that offense to the postseason under those circumstances. The reason Cam had to step in on the run game wasn't just a playcalling issue. Our OL was underperforming along with a rookie CMC still learning the ropes and an aging Jonathan Stewart. Now the OL continues to underperform based on camp reports, and that's after losing Norwell and trying to start Amini Silatolu.

Edit: Welp. Amini is out with an injury now. Plus Daryl Williams is already out with an injury as well.

[*FreeFua*]

52 minutes ago, Rags said:

i don't care if Ridley is better than Funchess right now. i don't care if Funchess has a similar season to last season. i don't care anymore that Funchess didn't catch that ball 6 months ago, or what week it was. As long as Funchess plays well for us and is a part of this offense that helps us win games, i don't care  how he does it, and right now there's no reason to think he can't.

Remember #dothejulio? Doesn't matter how good are bad you are, mistakes happen. Keep being edgy and contrarian and acting like your opinion is above all others, though. i for one choose to be excited about that team instead of stuck on one play.

 

 

 

 

Cool, I better not hear you complain about the OL because that same logic applies for that unit as well!

”I don’t care that Amini and Matt couldn’t block a turtle 6 months ago, as long as these two can play well for us and help us win games I don’t care how they do it and right now there’s no reason to think they can’t”

Matt is healthy and Rivera (who knows more than anyone) believes in Amini so there’s no reason to think they can’t! 

If you want to be a blind ass homer go for it! I’ll let past play dictate the way I feel about ones future. 

[Rags]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

Cool, I better not hear you complain about the OL because that same logic applies for that unit as well!

”I don’t care that Amini and Matt couldn’t block a turtle 6 months ago, as long as these two can play well for us and help us win games I don’t care how they do it and right now there’s no reason to think they can’t”

Matt is healthy and Rivera (who knows more than anyone) believes in Amini so there’s no reason to think they can’t! 

If you want to be a blind ass homer go for it! I’ll let past play dictate the way I feel about ones future. 

1 Play = / = career underpreformer. Funches played well for us last season, I'm not gonna look at that one, isolated play and say "Devin Funchess will do nothing but let us down." I don't care if he's just an average/above-average WR and not the next Julio Jones or as polished as Calvin Ridley ( A guy who is 46 pounds lighter and 3 inches shorter than him, so, no poo), I don't even care if he, or any of our players have the occasional bad play. Unlike Amini, moreso than Matt (Matt was solid towards the end of the season, no poo he lost 1-on-1 with Cam Jordan), who consistently loses and shouldn't be starting.

 

if you want to be a blind ass hater who holds grudges over one play, go for it. Teams too good to be focusing on only the negatives.

[Sam Mills Fan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not to be rude, but didn't you say that not so long ago?

Dude, I haven't said that since 2013 and all I said was I doubted his ability to lead a comeback late in the 4th quarter because he had literally never done that before. If I haven't proven my Cam Newton bona fides since then, I don't know who has.

[Sam Mills Fan]

1 hour ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Yea because you only drop gems in threads.

The only thing I agreed with is that he had an amazing playoff game performance. to suggest a hail mary pass should be caught is crazy, the fact that hail mary is a prayer to begin with. There were other plays that should or could have happened that didnt that are more realistic.

The Saints secondary completely broke down on the final desperation play of the game just like they did the following week. He had single coverage. The point of this thread though isn't to poo on Devin Funchess, but to praise Cam Newton.

[rmoneyg35]

4 hours ago, RumHam said:

1. Our Pro Bowl TE was out most of the season

2. We had Stewart and a rookie in CMC who is not fit to run the ball in that scheme.

3. Shula's play calls with receivers that can't run routes. Cam made Funchess better.

4. Eli had no receivers or running game or line last year and their defense was absolute garbage. OBJ was out most of the season. Don't think if they rebound you can say it was because of Shula.

I smell hater.

That’s one season. Like I said I have came down to two opinions about Cam. One good one bad. I think that’s far from a hater. I think that’s pretty fair criticism.

[panthers55]

6 hours ago, rmoneyg35 said:

I have two opinions about Cam that I can’t decide which one is true but I have narrowed it down to 2.

1. Cam is the most unlucky QB there is. Having Shula as an OC, bad offensive line and bad WR. He has talent but the players around him are bringing him down.

 

2. Cam is overrated. He isn’t consistent. He is great athletically but is average when it comes to throwing the ball. He has flashes of greatness but then makes horrible decisions. His completion % is horrible. He has wide open receivers that he never checks down to.

 

honestly I don’t know what to believe. Cam has won the MVP but that year we actually had a good offensive line, probowl TE, healthy RB and a defense that gave Cam lots of short yard situations. Lots of seasons when he struggled he was injured, had a horrible offensive line and or had no WR. So it’s tough for me to say which of the 2 is true. However if Shula has a great season with Old Eli at QB I think we should question how good Cam is. If Cam can do good with a different OC maybe it was Shula who was the problem. We have changed our scheme around and went from tall slower WR to fast better route running WR. We have CMC for short yards to help improve Cams completion %. The only issue I see is the offensive line.

 

This team is more complete than any Cam or Shula had to work with. It is hard to blame either of them for our struggles offensively although folks have when our performance was better than our offensive personnel would suggest they should have been. If we do great this year it will be a team effort and everyone can share in our success. If we struggle and it isn't injury related, there will be plenty of recriminations to go around.

[PantherBrew]

My god, I forgot how great Cam was in the game vs the Saints. One of his best. 

 

I went back, cause I am crazy person, and watched the long highlights from that game.  We absolutely outplayed their asses.  Ron was way conservative and it cost us.  And I like Ron and I am glad he is the coach, but damn.  NO ONE is going to win in a playoff game at the Superdome kicking FGs on fourth and 2. Can't believe we even had a small chance, and we botched the hell out of the redzone opportunity at the end. UGHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Frizzy350]

7 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Anybody that says Cam Newton is anything other than an MVP/All-Pro/top tier QB either knows nothing about football or knows nothing about Cam Newton. 

Cam found Funchess with single coverage in the end zone and threw a pass Aaron Rodgers would envy and Funchess just whiffed. If Funchess catches it, Cam caps off a legendary playoff game comeback in the Superdome in one of the greatest wins in team history. That Funchess dropped it doesn't make his game and that pass any less impressive.

Just a reminder to some folks that need it.

Don't forget that first quarter drive where Kaelin Clay dropped an easy touchdown followed by Gano missing a 25 yard field goal.

[Panthers8969]

Man I really did not want to think about that before bed. I know he was playing injured, but so disappointing. Like cmon man. Cam played like an mvp that game and had training camp bodies to throw to

[TheSpecialJuan]

15 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Anybody that says Cam Newton is anything other than an MVP/All-Pro/top tier QB either knows nothing about football or knows nothing about Cam Newton. 

Cam found Funchess with single coverage in the end zone and threw a pass Aaron Rodgers would envy and Funchess just whiffed. If Funchess catches it, Cam caps off a legendary playoff game comeback in the Superdome in one of the greatest wins in team history. That Funchess dropped it doesn't make his game and that pass any less impressive.

Just a reminder to some folks that need it.

dumb 

[E CaT PanTHer 2]

in case anyone wants to relive it. honestly, the game was lost on the very first drive. Clay drops a pass in the endzone placed perfectly by cam and then gano misses a 25 yard FG. that was a huge momentum killer on what was an otherwise beautiful opening offensive drive

I remember i almost chucked my beer at the TV when those two plays unfolded. 

as far as the pass to funchess at the very end, not sure if i would consider it a whiff. It would have been an acrobatic catch in double coverage, so to put it on funchess is a little unfair. 

 

[saints4lifeagain]

18 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

The Saints secondary completely broke down on the final desperation play of the game just like they did the following week. He had single coverage. The point of this thread though isn't to poo on Devin Funchess, but to praise Cam Newton.

Just for the record, it was 3 weeks in a row that they completely fugged up the coverage. Tampa did the same thing in week 17. 

Also, if we're talking hypotheticals, he threw what should have been a pick right before the hail mary.

[Peppers90 NC]

19 hours ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

The Saints secondary completely broke down on the final desperation play of the game just like they did the following week. He had single coverage. The point of this thread though isn't to poo on Devin Funchess, but to praise Cam Newton.

If Cam has the focus that he did in that game most of the season, he will no doubt win MVP and the PANTHERS will be a playoff team in a very tough division in a very tough conference.