Cam Newton is “just working on my accuracy”

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Silent Majority said:

Same parroted poo every year. Straw man Herp derp. 

They are certainly dedicated to their straw, ain't they?

[lightsout]

6 hours ago, Reebis21 said:

“So you want a new QB is that what you’re saying?”

Good lord...I swear it’s almost impossible these days to have a convo about Cam without people either getting insanely defensive of him or people who act like he’s the worse QB in the world.

I’m literally making a observation that out of all of Cam’s traits, his accuracy has definitely been something he has struggled with. Therefor when called out about accuracy, he’s not able to really make any excuses. If people wanna blame it on his receiving core, you are missing the point. I’m not talking about dropped passes. I’m also not saying he hasn’t made plenty of unbelievable passes in tight windows. I’m saying he still needs to work on his touch and accuracy.

Do I want a new QB? No...i can’t wait to see what he does in Norv’s offense...and I  find it hilarious that now KB (if he’s even in the league much longer) will have to deal with Josh’s Allan, whose completion percentage is trash.

 

 

 

And I'm saying you're wrong about his accuracy. I'd argue that well over 75% of all his passes over his career have been accurately thrown. I'd argue his absolutely worst passes were thrown while he was throwing injured so you can't use those games to point out an issue. I'd argue he misses some open guys occasionally going through progressions but that he's still largely accurate on the majority of his throws. Watch film, take stock of his passes, tell me I'm wrong. Does he have games where he struggles with throwing for a large portion of the game? Yeah. Absolutely. Do those games, when held up to his career, signify an "issue with his accuracy"? No. They don't.

[pantherclaw]

Cam is working on his accuracy because he knows he needs to if he's playing for more than 2 more years. 

[Reebis21]

38 minutes ago, lightsout said:

 

 

 

And I'm saying you're wrong about his accuracy. I'd argue that well over 75% of all his passes over his career have been accurately thrown. I'd argue his absolutely worst passes were thrown while he was throwing injured so you can't use those games to point out an issue. I'd argue he misses some open guys occasionally going through progressions but that he's still largely accurate on the majority of his throws. Watch film, take stock of his passes, tell me I'm wrong. Does he have games where he struggles with throwing for a large portion of the game? Yeah. Absolutely. Do those games, when held up to his career, signify an "issue with his accuracy"? No. They don't.

Then I’ll just have to disagree...cuz just as u think I’m being ridiculous to claim he has accuracy issues, I find it equally alarming that u can’t see that he still has soooo much room for improvement in that category 

[CPcavedweller]

16 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Cam just puts in work and lets his play talk.

On a highlight of a dart to Olsen in training camp, he comments and remarks on the fact he is in fact taking Kelvin’s criticism seriously by working on his accuracy

Good to see Cam letting his critics fire him up.

So, perhaps we’ll soon see more performances like he had against the Saints in the playoffs at this rate on the regular.

If so, good things are coming.

Cam isn't as care free about this as the huddle seems to think. He's going to be making these statements until he feels like he's proven Kelvin wrong, even if Kelvin is noticeably wrong. 

[Mikey818]

Norv will get Cam to check down more when receivers are covered resulting in a bump up in accuracy and fewer sacks 

[Mikey818]

I expect cmc to have about 90 catches and witjh added carries he could go over 1500 yards from scrimmage 

[falconidae]

3 hours ago, lightsout said:

 

 

 

And I'm saying you're wrong about his accuracy. I'd argue that well over 75% of all his passes over his career have been accurately thrown. I'd argue his absolutely worst passes were thrown while he was throwing injured so you can't use those games to point out an issue. I'd argue he misses some open guys occasionally going through progressions but that he's still largely accurate on the majority of his throws. Watch film, take stock of his passes, tell me I'm wrong. Does he have games where he struggles with throwing for a large portion of the game? Yeah. Absolutely. Do those games, when held up to his career, signify an "issue with his accuracy"? No. They don't.

Yeah, they do. You just can't say, " he's accurate, except when he isn't."

Cam is a very good QB, accuracy is not his strong suit. I am not saying Cam is a bad QB [ or agreeing w/ KB], just that's not where his strengths lie. Man won an MVP at 59.8%, he brings a lot to the table; consistent accuracy isn't one of those things.

Cam has started 109 games. He's had 17 games of 50% accuracy or less, Matt Ryan has 6 in 158 games, 4 in the first two years, none in the last hundred games. Brees  & Brady have better numbers than Ryan. That's 16% for Cam,  4% for Ryan. 5 of the sub 50% games for Cam  came in one injured stretch in 2016, take those out, that 's still 12 out of 104, that's still way more %wise than Ryan or Brees.

Use 60% as a cutoff, Cam has 60 games under 60%,  Ryan has 41. That's 55% of Cam's games under 60%, Ryan's at 25% Again, Brees and Brady have much better % than Cam. Used 60% as a minimum for accuracy, think that's reasonable. I  did not pick 60% because it made Cam look worse- pick any % you want-55%, 58%, 62%- Cam comes out worse than the others.

Take  out those 5 injury games, you're still talking about 55/104 games under 60%, more than half. When you have more extremely inaccurate games than your peers & when you're below the the minimum for accuracy more than half the time, that's not being accurate. It just isn't.

And, it's OK that it isn't , Ryan, Brees and the other QBs that rely on accuracy aren't built like power forwards, don't have the arm and the mobility that Cam does. Cam is a really good QB.

 

 

Used PFR, great stats site. If you click on  Comp% at top of the chart, you can sort games by comp%.

Cam:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00/gamelog/

Ryan:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00/gamelog/

[Saca312]

It’s 2018 and we still think completion percentage defines accuracy.

Like I’ve said trillions of times, it doesn’t. Sam Bradford had the most short passes in 2016 and was the best in completion percentage. No one’s gonna mistake him as an elite tier QB.

Cam is accurate and good as any. Sure, the argument you can make is that he’s inconsistent. After all, he’s had scrubs on his offensive line and WR room alongside being injured. Those are factors.

But trying to act like he isn’t a pocket passer or that denoting accuracy because of inconsistency is annoying.

 

[pantherclaw]

I love it when someone else comes in and tries to tell me what I was saying when he really has no effing clue.

[falconidae]

2 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

It’s 2018 and we still think completion percentage defines accuracy.

Like I’ve said trillions of times, it doesn’t. Sam Bradford had the most short passes in 2016 and was the best in completion percentage. No one’s gonna mistake him as an elite tier QB.

Cam is accurate and good as any. Sure, the argument you can make is that he’s inconsistent. After all, he’s had scrubs on his offensive line and WR room alongside being injured. Those are factors.

But trying to act like he isn’t a pocket passer or that denoting accuracy because of inconsistency is annoying.

 

You can't be inconsistently accurate. You just can't.   Again, man won an MVP with a sub 60 comp%. I'm not trashing the man, he's just not the most accurate QB. Unless every single incomplete pass is not Cam's fault, he's not the most accurate guy out there.

 And, yes there are other factors involved, just like there are for every other QB. In 2013, midway through the season, due to cuts, injuries and retirements, Matt Ryan and the RG were the only two starters left on the field from 2012, That's 4/5ths of the Oline different, both starting WRs out and a different RB and FB. Ryan still completed 67% of his passes that year.

Part of the reason Cam has a lower comp% than other top QBs [see what I did there?] is Cam.  If he were consistently accurate, it would show up in his stats.

And, I'm hardly the only one saying this. Here's PFF take on him going into the year:

At his best, Newton can make special throws with his plus arm strength, however the great plays also come with the caveat that he’s not an accurate down-to-down passer (improved to 24th in ball-location metrics last season). His throw-for-throw volatilty has led to one outstanding season (2015) surrounded by a career of average to good performances, including his 2017 season in which he ranked only 25th in PFF grades at only 68.7 overall.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-quarterback-rankings-pff-ranks-for-every-teams-qb-entering-2018

 

NFL.com, citing the wide varience week to week last year:

Ric Tapia/NFL

Least Consistent - 1) Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers

Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton was the least consistent QB last season with a 41.1 average week-to-week change in passer rating.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000940261

 

Quick , accurate short throws aren't Cam's game like they are more traditional QB, no problem, Nowhere once have I said Cam is  bad Qb because of his comp %.

Cam is really good, accuracy isn't his strong suit.

 

 

[Perry Rich]

19 hours ago, lightsout said:

Anybody who thinks Cam lacks accuracy shows they know nothing about Cam. Consistency and lack of a real offensive coordinator made him look inaccurate at times. Cam can make every throw in a tight window. Not many QBs can say that.

i dont think the OC has made Cam throw any pass inaccurate. If Cam can make any throw in a tight window, then exactly why doesn't he  ?

[pantherclaw]

Let.me be clear, I'm not harping on Cam. 

Unfortunately,  most on the huddle are incapable of having an unbiased conversation about Cam.  So they make it impossible to even talk about the issues he has, because they feel like he's being attacked, when that isn't even the case. 

I'm proud of Cam. I'm even more proud that he self evaluates himself, admitting his short comings, and works so diligently to improve the weakest parts of his game. That is something every fan should want, if Cam is going to continue to be successful into the future, as he gets older. 

Cam is without a doubt. The best QB this franchise has ever had, and it's a good thing he can still get better, and strives to be the best. 

[OneBadCat]

Listen Cam Newton is a top 6 QB in this game. KB is a fatass immature moron who can’t move on. He could be more accurate, sure. But Cam can throw the ball on a dime when he had a clean pocket. 

What people don’t get is that Cam believes he can make any play happen at any moment. He’s not going to play like candyass Drew Brees and take a check down or a high percentage throw because that dude isn’t Cam Newton and isn’t 6’5 with a 4.5 40 and gets first downs at will. He will force a throw because most the time he will make it. Or he’ll run for a first down because it’s the smartest play versus throwing to a fat dumbass of a WR like KB or the scrubs we’ve had continuously drop the ball in crucial moments.

Cam is Brett Favre with legs. He’s one of the best QBs in the game and better than candyass Drew Brees or choke artist Matt Ryan.