Kelvin Benjamin - I have thoughts

[KillerKat]

Can you ban reefer for derailing the thread? I wanted to read about the subject, not 10 plus pages of him bitching.

[Amos Moses]

This was posted in another thread but its worth reposting here. These are great 

boards.atlantafalcons.com/topic/4063949-kelvin-benjamin-sounds-off-on-cam-newton/?

[uncfan888]

That saints4life25 guy looks familiar... @saints4lifeagain

[therealmjl]

12 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

That saints4life25 guy looks familiar... @saints4lifeagain

thought the same thing

[iBBB]

6 hours ago, coralreefer_1 said:

Yo...we know you like to get hits and generate discussion...but WHY  must you pimp KB so much? Hes done. Hes gone. Not relevant to our team anymore. For real...dont you have fortnight to play?~~~

i aM tRigGered. i dONt likE WhaT iS pRREsenTd oN mY sCreEN sO i wiLL cOmPLAin aBouT iT. 

Discussing the current bashing of Cam Newton and Panthers organization by any former Carolina Panthers player is not only warranted but also god damn required. This is a discussion board for an NFL team and any current developments targeted at staining the image of our star player and this organizations is 100% worth of being mentioned, discussed, analyzed, summarized, etc, irrelevant of who started the thread. I read the headline about KB trashing of the Panthers on my general news feed, which indicates that the reach is national. 

Based on your mouth-foaming responses here,  I don't understand why can't you just not click on the fuging thread if you don't like the topic. What makes you think you have ANY say on how this board is ran and what topics are being discussed? GTFO.

[Seoul_Panther]

1 hour ago, Amos Moses said:

Can anyone source what bills fans have to say about it? I'm interested in how they view the interview 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/207188-kelvin-benjamin-criticizes-time-with-panthers-cam-newton/

Some homers, also some people pointing out that he isn't doing himself or his current team any favours. I couldn't read past the first few posts of saints4life thread on the falcons forum. Just a bunch of rednecks gloating about others preconceived shortcomings. Life is too short to waste reading that poison.

[ThatSeattleBoy]

The Panthers do not have good WRs. No, I didn't say great, I am talking good at least. They have not had one since SMS. Lets break this down; if CAR never had good WR, wouldn't Cam's stats reflect that? Maybe Cam has average accuracy? You guys will never know because he never had guys whom understood routes or the art of catching.

I think Ginn attempted to throw the same shade, but his numbers with Brees are eerily similar to his numbers with Cam.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10453/ted-ginn-jr

He said something to the extent that a guy like Brees can prolong your career; really? Hmmm, your numbers look the same...

Edited; he actually had more TDs with Cam....

[Mistuh Jones]

6 hours ago, coralreefer_1 said:

A post about an ex player is random. A post from the site owner/MFCEO that seems more or less geared to stir up hate rather than have a real discussion are very different things. 

Then please raise the F up outta this board. Signed everyone

[Seoul_Panther]

10 minutes ago, ThatSeattleBoy said:

The Panthers do not have good WRs. No, I didn't say great, I am talking good at least. They have not had one since SMS. Lets break this down; if CAR never had good WR, wouldn't Cam's stats reflect that? Maybe Cam has average accuracy? You guys will never know because he never had guys whom understood routes or the art of catching.

I think Ginn attempted to throw the same shade, but his numbers with Brees are eerily similar to his numbers with Cam.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10453/ted-ginn-jr

He said something to the extent that a guy like Brees can prolong your career; really? Hmmm, your numbers look the same...

 

I see what you're trying to say but that doesn't quite add up. TG's catch percentage was superb last year so you can argue he proved KB's point in a way that KB hasn't. If you want to make the argument, it is that Cam's deep ball has been (until last year) way better than Brees. That simply comes down to arm strength where it is hard to argue that he isn't on a par or better than Brees.

Blaming Cams accuracy on his admittedly weak supporting cast puts us in the same boat as KB. While it maybe true, it's a poor workman blames his tools. At this stage the best way for CN to prove that he can be better (accuracy-wise) than he has shown, is to prove it. Lets hope that he can.

[top dawg]

5 hours ago, coralreefer_1 said:

...you fail convince me where i am wrong about my initial post that Igo is stirring up bullshit to generate hitys/threads/comments. 

 

I mean...that's what he's supposed to do...and there's nothing inherently deceptive or out-of-line with it.  

Certain things will always be fair game about KB simply because of his status as a past Panther---Panther-related or not---football-related or not. But there's no way you're telling me that KB making some decidedly negative remarks about the way that he was handled (or mishandled as it were) by the coaches, treated by the organization, and the accuracy or mental acuity of Cam Newton as it pertains to football---even to the point where Newton felt obliged to personally respond---has zero relevance to the Panthers today. I know that you can see that. For you to continue to argue otherwise makes you look [a certain kind of way], depending on who is looking.

 

[Seoul_Panther]

 Coach McDermott was not impressed:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24292731/buffalo-bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-critical-kelvin-benjamin-carolina-panthers-barbs

I wonder if he will stay beyond this season?

[ThatSeattleBoy]

5 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

I see what you're trying to say but that doesn't quite add up. TG's catch percentage was superb last year so you can argue he proved KB's point in a way that KB hasn't. If you want to make the argument, it is that Cam's deep ball has been (until last year) way better than Brees. That simply comes down to arm strength where it is hard to argue that he isn't on a par or better than Brees.

Blaming Cams accuracy on his admittedly weak supporting cast puts us in the same boat as KB. While it maybe true, it's a poor workman blames his tools. At this stage the best way for CN to prove that he can be better (accuracy-wise) than he has shown, is to prove it. Lets hope that he can.

If an expert tool-mans (Brady) dismisses your old tools (Lafell), then maybe you need new tools.

You know whom has a great completion percentage? Alex Smith. What factors into this? Is he better than off than Brady? Not quite....He dinks and donks.

Ginn's average yards per reception are pretty much the same under Cam and Brees, so what gives? Just like completion percentage, catching percentage can be deceiving. You make your money with TDs and Yards. The fact is every WR you guys had has been jumping from team to team. Lafell just got the boot last week iirc.

KB sucked in Buffalo too.TT is like one of the most accurate QBs ever. He ended Buffalo's playoff drought, but KB sucked, because as I stated, CAR WR do not understand routes.

Cam's tools suck. Belichick will tell you that. Lafell peaked with Brady, then regressed to have on of his worst receiving seasons ever in NE. Only to get cut in CIN.

 

 

[ThatSeattleBoy]

3 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

 Coach McDermott was not impressed:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24292731/buffalo-bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-critical-kelvin-benjamin-carolina-panthers-barbs

I wonder if he will stay beyond this season?

No, and it has nothing to do with his comments about Cam. The guy isn't good. Herm Edwards criticized his route running before. If he went to NE or PITT, Brady and ben would stop targeting him after his first play.

[Seoul_Panther]

18 minutes ago, ThatSeattleBoy said:

If an expert tool-mans (Brady) dismisses your old tools (Lafell), then maybe you need new tools.

You know whom has a great completion percentage? Alex Smith. What factors into this? Is he better than off than Brady? Not quite....He dinks and donks.

Ginn's average yards per reception are pretty much the same under Cam and Brees, so what gives? Just like completion percentage, catching percentage can be deceiving. You make your money with TDs and Yards. The fact is every WR you guys had has been jumping from team to team. Lafell just got the boot last week iirc.

KB sucked in Buffalo too.TT is like one of the most accurate QBs ever. He ended Buffalo's playoff drought, but KB sucked, because as I stated, CAR WR do not understand routes.

Cam's tools suck. Belichick will tell you that. Lafell peaked with Brady, then regressed to have on of his worst receiving seasons ever in NE. Only to get cut in CIN.

 

 

   I don't disagree that CN has never had a stellar cast of receivers. The best was Steve Smith who was at the tail end of his career. But hes never had a cast of guys like many of the QB's hes measured against has. He's also been dealing with an at best average OL for several years. It makes it hard to compare him to other QBs because there are lots of variables at play. For these reasons I would say CN deserves the benefit of the doubt that he could do better rather than the tired old-hes just a one-dimensional running QB take that so many people trot out. If you believe in at least some ways we have upgraded-(I think this is true of the WRs and OC) then he has every chance to be better. Hes also fit coming into this season. He's never going to be high percentage, but I believe with help he can be better.