Observations from camp today...

[Snake]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Before you go feeling too badly for him, just remember that he's eating up $20.6M of our cap space this season. Hell, he's pretty much THE reason why retaining Norwell was pretty much out of the question.

Well the Kalil Brothers were basically the reason. Both are taking up the majority of the money on the line. 

[Snake]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Actually, your number is way off. His 2018 cap number is $6.9M. That number is his dead cap if we cut him, which is why he’s with us through 2019.

As @Snake mentions above it’s both Kalil’s, but moreso Ryan as he is just under $10M. We could have Norwell and Larsen starting instead of Ryan and Amini. I’m pretty sure I know which group I’d rather have. 

Unfortunately nether opinion was great but I would have locked up the younger guy. JR though was going full bro network before he was forced to sell. A blessing for sure. This year's team hinges on a lot and I am not totally confident we want be doing a full rebuild next year no matter what because of JRs personnel decisions. 

[Ricky Spanish]

The further and further from JR we get, the more I feel like signing Matt was influenced in part by him. 

 

[Seoul_Panther]

17 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Definitely concerned about the left side of the O line.

Question: which of the preseason opponents we face will prove the biggest test for our Oline? I'd love some perspective to know what to be looking for.  I honestly don't know much about the current state of any of those 4 D-lines.

 Since I follow Buffalo, as my second interest team in the AFC, I'm gonna give them a shout out. Their interior was upgraded and should test Mr Silotolu. Kyle Williams and Star are a good combo and they also added rookie DT Harrison Phillips who's having a good camp. On the edge they brought in Trent Murphy from Washington who had a 12 sack season prior to injury last year. Jerry Hughes on the other side is not as worrying. Their LBs are much improved with mammoth rookie Tremaine Edmunds, and their secondary were creating turnovers regularly last year. Offensively they don't frighten anyone but that's a sneaky D.

[Toomers]

32 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Actually, your number is way off. His 2018 cap number is $6.9M. That number is his dead cap if we cut him, which is why he’s with us through 2019.

As @Snake mentions above it’s both Kalil’s, but moreso Ryan as he is just under $10M. We could have Norwell and Larsen starting instead of Ryan and Amini. I’m pretty sure I know which group I’d rather have. 

If he continues his current level of suck, and we throw another 7M into that sinkhole before 2019, that would be insane. Cut the cord. Which is why he may not cost 20.6M THIS year, but it will over the next 3. Which goes back to the reason we couldn’t consider signing Norwell. 

[LinvilleGorge]

41 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Actually, your number is way off. His 2018 cap number is $6.9M. That number is his dead cap if we cut him, which is why he’s with us through 2019.

As @Snake mentions above it’s both Kalil’s, but moreso Ryan as he is just under $10M. We could have Norwell and Larsen starting instead of Ryan and Amini. I’m pretty sure I know which group I’d rather have. 

Yeah, I accidentally looked at his dead money instead of his cap hit. Unfortunately, that makes the situation even worse down the road. We're still on the hook for over $20M in guaranteed money. :(

[Moo Daeng]

 

40 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Actually, your number is way off. His 2018 cap number is $6.9M. That number is his dead cap if we cut him, which is why he’s with us through 2019.

As @Snake mentions above it’s both Kalil’s, but moreso Ryan as he is just under $10M. We could have Norwell and Larsen starting instead of Ryan and Amini. I’m pretty sure I know which group I’d rather have. 

Norwell's contract is for more than one single season. After this season his cap hit jumps to an average of over 15 million per season for 5 years. For a left guard.  It isn't so simple as comparing one single season of cap hits.

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Matt’s cap number in 2017/2018 was half of Ryan’s. Ryan’s numbers are much more of an impact to not signing Norwell. We easily could handle Norwell and Matt and I’m not saying I wanted or like him now, just that Ryan had way more of an impact. With Norwell there Matt improved as the season went along. Still not good enough for the contract, but again our OL with Matt, Norwell, Larsen, Turner and Moton/DWill is better than Matt, Amini, Ryan, Turner and Moton/DWill. 

And were you planning on signing Norwell to a one year contract? Because this season is the only one that Ryan would have an effect on anything. We could have kept the first year at a 6-8M cap hit and increased after Ryan was gone after this year. Matt’s contract, no matter what happens, will cost us for years. When 7M/year in cap space could be going towards paying Norwell. So how is it Ryan had more impact again? 

[Toomers]

13 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Because we couldn’t fit Norwell in this year regardless. We have a $1M or so in 2018. $10M in cap space this year could have been used. We already have $22M in 2019 cap space and $55M in 2020. I’m sure we could have worked in Norwell.

I still didn’t want Norwell on that contract, but I sure was hoping we’d address G in the draft and/or FA and not be stupid enough that one injury meant Amini was starting.

You think 22M is a lot of cap space for next year with Funchess, Shaq, an DW all dies big raises or leaving a hole to fill? 

 Replace Norwell with anyone. The money didn’t have to go towards signing him. But there are plenty of option where 14.7M(at a minimum) would have helped improve the team. Right now, it’s lost money with no return. 

 And if they needed anywhere up to 9M go towards Norwell this year, all they had to do was call Cam and tell him he’s getting his salary early this year. 

[BigSyke]

1 hour ago, Seoul_Panther said:

 Since I follow Buffalo, as my second interest team in the AFC, I'm gonna give them a shout out. Their interior was upgraded and should test Mr Silotolu. Kyle Williams and Star are a good combo and they also added rookie DT Harrison Phillips who's having a good camp. On the edge they brought in Trent Murphy from Washington who had a 12 sack season prior to injury last year. Jerry Hughes on the other side is not as worrying. Their LBs are much improved with mammoth rookie Tremaine Edmunds, and their secondary were creating turnovers regularly last year. Offensively they don't frighten anyone but that's a sneaky D.

 

Patriots in the 3rd game preseason will test this team just like they did in the 2016 season. Hopefully the starters look great this time around.

[mc52beast]

If Amini is in the starting lineup when we play Dallas I’m going to freaking explode. How can any competent coach be ok starting possibly the worst left side of an o-line in the history of the NFL

[thefuzz]

2 hours ago, Cracka McNasty said:

The further and further from JR we get, the more I feel like signing Matt was influenced in part by him. 

 

I posted this in another thread, and I feel pretty good about it....but.

 

DG didn't acquire, or pay for any other free agent during his time here like he did with Matt Kalil.  I 100% believe that JR had something, if not a whole lot to do with that.

 

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Nobody actually reads posts. I don’t want Norwell and his contract. I just think the impediment was far more the $10M in 2018 for Ryan because it was incorrectly stated that Matt was $20M in cap this year.

Also, for the $22M next year that’s plenty. First, that already includes Shaq’s 5th year option so no new money from him. Second, Williams injury lowers his price and puts Moton in a position to allow us to not resign him if we don’t need him. Third, Funchess is sort of in the same boat with Moore and Samuel potentially making him not as necessary, especially if he commands $12M+ like the crazy contracts. Lastly, we’ve got plenty of space to work in Norwell and say Funchess.

Again, I’m not trying to fit in Norwell. Just saying I’d much rather have had him and Larsen than Amini and Ryan and that with Ryan’s 2018 cap charge I’m 2018, we had no chance to sign Norwell.

 And cutting Ryan would have only saved 5.7M. 

 All I was pointing out Is Matt Kalil’s contract has/and will cost this team talent at other positions, and it hasn’t even really started yet.Nothing more. 

  There are no “outs” like we have heard about for a year. I said from day one this is the scenario we were staring at, and got nothing but how much I was wrong. 

[CarolinaXblue]

23 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Rivera honestly go to hell for giving amini a starting spot. He is gonna get Cam killed. And to put him next to the biggest joke of a tackle in the league is  inexcusable. 

You mad bro?