Norv is going to energize this offense.

[Amos Moses]

IT'S TRAINING CAMP!!!!!!   

 

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[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Well, we didn't bring Norv here to calm things down on offense.

Let me say that we didn't bring Norv here to trot out one of his old offensive systems and make our guys fit that mold. If he were to do that, then we'd crash and burn mightily and folks would rightly say that we grabbed a old-time coach that the league and game had passed by.

What we brought Norv here for is his vast experience and ability to craft new offenses. What we expect is something solid but tailor-made for Cam, our current O-line, CMC, Greg Olsen and an unproven WR corps. There will have to be innovations, there will need to be something that moves fast prior to and after the snap. 

Because literally, we could bring anyone in to just polish the read-option stuff that we had run into the ground. 

They want Norv to bring in what he has seen in the big picture -- what we have, what the league does, what history suggests and what possibilities haven't been tried. And I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't spend all of last season crafting just this kind of thing.

We might see a Panthers offense where we recognize the players but not the plays. And that, in my opinion, is just what we need to make #53 ours.

I don't know how creative or innovative Norv will be. That is not his MO. But Chud was and created a blueprint for how to use Cam. When we had crap for receivers Shula revamped the run game with lots of creativity. So Norv doesn't have to be that creative. He just has to take what is already here and develop good game plans and call the plays effectively. That and continue to develop Cam as a quarterback. Norv is known for those things.

[CRA]

18 hours ago, panthers55 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/07/carolina_panthers_seeking_cons.amp

As I read this article a few realizations hit me which I had to share. I know all of the stuff he talked about, we all do. But when they said that Norv taught Chud everything he knew I realized we are getting the master himself not the student. Norv taught Chud all Chud knew but not everything Norv knows. We have Chud on steroids. And Norv is excited to work with Cam's unique talent. What a feather in his cap of he can coach Newton back to the big dance. I realized that Norv orchestrated who we got in free agency and the draft. He got the best talent he could find for what we could spend to make his offense the best it can be.

Then when I read Norv's pedigree it hit me that Norv knows what Rivera is thinking and needing at any time after being a head coach 3 times. After what happened in Minnesota you know he only agreed to be the OC if he gets complete autonomy to run the offense. We will have 2 head coaches, one on offense and the other for defense and special teams. Norv might be helping Rivera make those 4th and 2 decisions. Might cut done on the WTF moments. I am pretty pumped.

TL/DR Norv is the Yoda of our offense. He loves Newton, knows how to improve things. Will run the offense his way maybe deciding the 4th and 1 gambling- Nevada Norv.

I think one of the favorite things people enjoyed about Chud were the fun trick plays.  They don't say that.  Chud did a lot of boneheaded things in terms of calling the offense.  But man, they loved those trick plays.

I don't think there was a single trick play Chud ever ran that wasn't literally ran by Norv in SD.  

I concur.  Norv knows offense.  All that matters is you need to give Norv talent to make it work.  Only question I really have is can the OL hold up in Norv's offense (mainly the OT play). 

[Khyber53]

46 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I don't know how creative or innovative Norv will be. That is not his MO. But Chud was and created a blueprint for how to use Cam. When we had crap for receivers Shula revamped the run game with lots of creativity. So Norv doesn't have to be that creative. He just has to take what is already here and develop good game plans and call the plays effectively. That and continue to develop Cam as a quarterback. Norv is known for those things.

Actually, I have to disagree. Norv needs to show some new wrinkles. Old coaches who can't innovate often find themselves out of a job after a losing season. That has happened to Norv before. I am hoping, and expecting, him to have something new here. Nothing revolutionary for the league, but something that removes us from our old predictability.

We were 11-5 last season with some very key injuries, so there is strength here. As teams go, this one has strong bones to build on. Not revamp, but build. I am worried, not too much, but some, that Norv will preach fundamentals and hard nose football and just dust off one of his old playbooks, making us wish for the days of Shula again. And please, before we push Chud for sainthood, let's remember that his overly complex blueprints were covered up by the playmakers on the team and that he majestically and immediately crashed and burned when he left the organization.

 

[ColumbusCounty]

6 hours ago, parker said:

I have watched Cam's first game against Arizona a few times.  The offense was electric.  Some of it was Steve Smith just going off, but it showed Cam's potential.  I am really excited about this season with the weapons and coaching.

I agree..Also Greg Olsen and Shockey was a nice combo... Although, Shock was at the back end of his career he was still effective .... Olsen was also a different animal, his speed was actually shocking. 

[panthers55]

9 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Actually, I have to disagree. Norv needs to show some new wrinkles. Old coaches who can't innovate often find themselves out of a job after a losing season. That has happened to Norv before. I am hoping, and expecting, him to have something new here. Nothing revolutionary for the league, but something that removes us from our old predictability.

We were 11-5 last season with some very key injuries, so there is strength here. As teams go, this one has strong bones to build on. Not revamp, but build. I am worried, not too much, but some, that Norv will preach fundamentals and hard nose football and just dust off one of his old playbooks, making us wish for the days of Shula again. And please, before we push Chud for sainthood, let's remember that his overly complex blueprints were covered up by the playmakers on the team and that he majestically and immediately crashed and burned when he left the organization.

 

I think you confuse innovation with predictability. What teams are doing now, Cam and Chud were doing in 2011. We don't need Norv to try new things as much as we need Norv to mix things up and not be predictable.  As you said we went 11-5 last year and had questionable talent and a predictable defense and offense. We need Norv to take what is here already which is plenty creative and call better plays and adapt as the game proceeds. Plus he needs to keep Cam quick and efficient. I saw at least 4 times during the session tonight where Cam held the ball for 4 or 5 seconds and would have been sacked. 

[Panthers8969]

Anybody know of any great offenses with bad olines? Seems like we will be lucky to have an average unit this year. And yet again LT is the most important position and arguably the weakest. Rest of the offense has me very excited though

[KillerKat]

I'm tired of all the talk about Cam when what we needed was an OC that called better plays in key situations in games. That's what separates a good OC from another OC that just picks random plays in the playbook despite the situation (Chud) or the same ones over and over again because he's not that creative (Shula). Shula was terrible at crucial situations on offense. Chud called boneheaded, razzle dazzle plays at crucial situations.  One might have been prettier than the other, but wasn't efficient. We need more efficient playcalling and I'm optimistic Norv brings that here.