Matt Moore starting is highly unlikely....

[Spike]

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Jake went undrafted because he went to the University of Louisiana at Lafeyette. As a true freshman he imm:beatdeadhorse5:ediately showed his ability with the second highest passr rating as a freshman that year. By the end of his senior year he ranked 22nd all time in the NCAA for passing yards and 28th in offense. That is why he was drafted.

He bounced around in europe and with the Saints but he always played fairly well in preseason and many folks wanted him to start over Brooks and Blake.

As for playing for us he came in and was very good immediately. He has been good at reading defenses and until his injury late in 2005, was very accurate hence the probowl year. Since then his accuracy and arm strength diminished until 2007 when his arm fell apart. The rest everyone knows.

34 players from schools you have never heard off(i.e., more obscure than ULL) got drafted in 1997. Brandon Stokely got drafted out of the same school 2 years later. That had nothing to do with it.

Brett Basanez broked all kinds of records at Northwestern, so that doesnt say a whole lot. What was Delhomme's competition? What scheme was he running? etc.

[Mesmer]

Nobody fails to get drafted because of the school they went to. Pro scouts find everything worth finding for draft day.

Jake wasn't drafted because he wasn't ready to be an NFL QB until he was seasoned as a backup and with NFL Europe experience.

[panthers55]

P 55 Fox brought Peete here the year before he was not here before Fox. So it is the same situation as now. Except Moore has been in the system longer then Jake was.

I don't know why I thought he was picked up at the end of 2001 to mentor and help Weinke instead of in 2002. Thanks for the correction.:thumbsup:

[panthers55]

Nobody fails to get drafted because of the school they went to. Pro scouts find everything worth finding for draft day.

Jake wasn't drafted because he wasn't ready to be an NFL QB until he was seasoned as a backup and with NFL Europe experience.

Absolutely players don't get drafted because of the school they went to or the competition they played against. Stil others get picked as undrafted free agents because they weren't invited to the combine and teams are skeptical about their ability to play at this level.

It does make it harder for undrafted free agents to make it in the league because they don't have a developmental league in Europe anymore. I think it was a big mistake to close it and it means that less and less undrafted guys will get a chance to show what they can do.

[Cyberjag]

If Matt Moore is so great, why did the Front Office rush out to sign a veteran QB when McCown went down? They could have played the odds, promoted Cantwell and moved Moore to number two, but they got Feeley instead. They never did that when Weinke was the backup.

Not the biggest endorsement, IMHO.

[Mr. Scot]

...for the same reasons why so many of the trade scenarios mentioned here aren't going to happen.

Agree or not, all indications are that John Fox still believes Jake Delhomme gives the team their best chance to win. And again, because Fox's biggest concern is winning now (not preparing for the future) he's likely to stick with Delhomme until the bitter end.

Argue all you want about whether you think Moore (or even Feeley) gives us a better chance to win. It doesn't matter what you think. It only matters what Fox thinks.

Keep in mind, I'm a supporter of starting Moore.

I'm also a realist, and because of that I don't see it happening :nonod:

This weekend could prove me wrong :sosp:

[Bruce]

This weekend could prove me wrong :sosp:

I don't see it happening either. Fox sees these guys all week in practice. He watches Jake for 60 mins on Sunday, just as we all do. Fox might be alot but an idiot? I think not. He's simply playing the best he has.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't see it happening either. Fox sees these guys all week in practice. He watches Jake for 60 mins on Sunday, just as we all do. Fox might be alot but an idiot? I think not. He's simply playing the best he has.

Ah, but at least at some positions, Fox often equates "most experienced" with "best", even if objective data might seem to say otherwise.

Examples of this can be found in his decisions to stick with an aging (and injured) Stephen Davis over DeShaun Foster; his later decision to keep the fumble prone Foster starting over DeAngelo Williams; his desire to go after Muhsin Muhammad rather than trust Dwayne Jarrett; his choice to sign Vinny Testaverde rather than go with Matt Moore; and - most recently - his stubborn refusal to see the writing on the wall for Delhomme.

You could add in his decision to go with an aging, aching Rodney Peete as a starter in 2003, though that issue fixed itself.

I can understand a general belief that veterans are more trustworthy than youngsters, but like most things, it's possible to take it too far.

[rayzor]

Ah, but at least at some positions, Fox often equates "most experienced" with "best", even if objective data might seem to say otherwise.

Examples of this can be found in his decisions to stick with an aging (and injured) Stephen Davis over DeShaun Foster; his later decision to keeo the fumble prone Foster starting over DeAngelo Williams; his desire to go after Muhsin Muhammad rather than trust Dwayne Jarrett; his choice to sign Vinny Testaverde rather than go with Matt Moore; and - most recently - his stubborn refusal to see the writing on the wall for Delhomme.

You could add in his decision to go with an aging, aching Rodney Peete as a starter in 2003, though that issue fixed itself.

I can understand a general belief that veterans are more trustworthy than youngsters, but like most things, it's possible to take it too far.

well said and agreed.

[Bruce]

Ah, but at least at some positions, Fox often equates "most experienced" with "best", even if objective data might seem to say otherwise.

Examples of this can be found in his decisions to stick with an aging (and injured) Stephen Davis over DeShaun Foster; his later decision to keeo the fumble prone Foster starting over DeAngelo Williams; his desire to go after Muhsin Muhammad rather than trust Dwayne Jarrett; his choice to sign Vinny Testaverde rather than go with Matt Moore; and - most recently - his stubborn refusal to see the writing on the wall for Delhomme.

I can understand a general belief that veterans are more trustworthy than youngsters, but like most things, it's possible to take it too far.

I was so waiting for Davis over Foster over DeAngelo debate! What could one really say about the hesitation in the finality of it all?

Crap, we don't have a Foster over DeAngelo at the QB position.

I for one wished that we did. At best Matt is a Tony Romo. Think of huddle threads that would create. At worst that Oakland guy.

The coaching staff has let Jake digress as a quarterback. Why would anyone believe the coaching staff has progressed the future of Matt Moore?

I don't intend to sound harsh but, it's walking like a duck, I'm not wrong for calling it a duck.

[Mr. Scot]

I was so waiting for Davis over Foster over DeAngelo debate! What could one really say about the hesitation in the finality of it all?

Crap, we don't have a Foster over DeAngelo at the QB position.

I for one wished that we did. At best Matt is a Tony Romo. Think of huddle threads that would create. At worst that Oakland guy.

The coaching staff has let Jake digress as a quarterback. Why would anyone believe the coaching staff has progressed the future of Matt Moore?

I don't intend to sound harsh but, it's walking like a duck, I'm not wrong for calling it a duck.

Realistically, we didn't know how good DeAngelo was until Foster was gone. There was plenty of discussion on here from people who thought we'd wasted a first round pick on a guy who was never going to be anything more than a changeup back. Heck, Fox thought so much of Foster at one point that the team used a transition tag on him.

[OneBadassCat]

Realistically, we didn't know how good DeAngelo was until Foster was gone. There was plenty of discussion on here from people who thought we'd wasted a first round pick on a guy who was never going to be anything more than a changeup back. Heck, Fox thought so much of Foster at one point that the team used a transition tag on him.

At least then Foster was good though. That last ankle break against the bears did him in. Took the last bit burst he had. Seriously a shame what happened to his career. Also a shame that Deangelo didn't start soon enough.

[Bruce]

My concern Mr. Scot is, well our coaching staff. I for one enjoy the joys of the past. I can afford myself that. I'm afraid our coaching staff has done the same and they for a change don't have a "DeAngelo" to insert at the qb position.

[Mr. Scot]

My concern Mr. Scot is, well our coaching staff. I for one enjoy the joys of the past. I can afford myself that. I'm afraid our coaching staff has done the same and they for a change don't have a "DeAngelo" to insert at the qb position.

If there's one area where our braintrust has tended to be inconsistent, it's in pro player evaluation.

They've drafted better since Don Gregory replaced Tony Softli, but knowing when to keep a veteran guy and when to let a guy go is still not a strong point.