Matt Moore starting is highly unlikely....

[panthers55]

Moore may have looked bad w/ scrubs.....even great QBs will struggle w/ poo around them. Jake is playing w/ some of the best talent in the NFL and looks horrible.

You must be kin to Fox or Jake....b/c there is no logic at this point to not look at another option. That isn't saying commit to it.

Also, no one is trying to sway the FO from this message board. I think since you often resort to that quip it is just pointing out how weak of an arguement you can make for sticking w/ Jake.

If Jake sucks and we lose the next few weeks then bring up your argument which while baseless about Moore will at least have credence that Jake is not a good option anymore. But if we win this week and are .500 and on a 3 game winning streak, only a fool would make a change at that point.

Exactly. No on is saying he is the answer. I think people are just getting curious at what he is capable of. And if Jake keeps bombing games, and with our division leaders with 0 and 1 losses.... what do we have to lose? Unless we get to be a 6-3 team by the ninth game or so, I say see what he's got, in many different games, in many situations, versus many different styles and opponents.

That assumes is we are 4-5 or 5-4, that Moore brings more to the mix. If we are still in it, then why risk going on a bigger losing streak with a quarterback who has shown very little. If Moore had come in and lit it up in preseason then things might be different. And for those who say a quarterback can't come in as a backup and do well in preseason, do your homework and look at AJ Feeley's stats for the preseason this year. He was the third stringer and completed 76% of his passes for a passer rating of 104. With those same types of crappy backups and scrubs that CRA uses to justify Moore's crappy performance. Funny how he constantly crticizes Jake and then makes all kinds of excuses for Moore's crappy performance.

[goodoleboy]

Exactly. No on is saying he is the answer. I think people are just getting curious at what he is capable of. And if Jake keeps bombing games, and with our division leaders with 0 and 1 losses.... what do we have to lose? Unless we somehow get to be a 6-3 team by the midseason or so, I say see what he's got, in many different games, in many situations, versus many different styles and opponents.

I agree. I just don't think 2-3 is the time to do it. Its not like Moore lit it up in 2007 when he started. 56.6% completions on 111 attempts. 5 picks. Jake is actually at 59.4% on 133 attempts YTD. 10 picks though almost half were in 1 game.

[panthers55]

Moore may have looked bad w/ scrubs.....even great QBs will struggle w/ poo around them. Jake is playing w/ some of the best talent in the NFL and looks horrible.

You must be kin to Fox or Jake....b/c there is no logic at this point to not look at another option. That isn't saying commit to it.

Also, no one is trying to sway the FO from this message board. I think since you often resort to that quip it is just pointing out how weak of an arguement you can make for sticking w/ Jake.

AJ Feeley was a third stringer on Phillidelphia and with the same crappy third stringers and nobodies completed 76% of his passes for a quarterback rating of 104. Wouldn't be surprised if he plays over Moore. Maybe Moore is just crappy. If Jake can lose it why can't Moore?? If Moore was the answer we wouldn't have put McCown on IR and signed Feeley. Obviously the team doesn't have confidence in Moore and they see him every day in practice. Maybe they know something you don't.

[Lumps]

That assumes is we are 4-5 or 5-4, that Moore brings more to the mix. If we are still in it, then why risk going on a bigger losing streak with a quarterback who has shown very little.

In the scenario I was also assuming that NO stays on track and remains undefeated which to me seems very likely. While we are 4-5, NO could be 9-0 or 8-1. It would be VERY hard for us even at 4-5 to 'stay in it' with a division like that especially if ATL also stays on track and ends up at say...7-2 by the time we hit 4-5 putting them in position for the wild card given their good enough.

I don't see ATL or NO slowing down and the panthers catching up. But the fact is you never really know. Either way here is what we last saw of Moore during 07:

"After a string of ineffective performances from Carr and Vinny Testaverde, Moore started his first NFL game on December 16, 2007 against the Seattle Seahawks. He led the Panthers to victory against the Seahawks while completing 19 of 27 passes for 208 yards without a turnover. After a tough loss against Dallas the next week, where he had a touchdown and an interception all the while completing 15 of 28 passes for 182 yards, he threw for two touchdowns in a road win against Tampa Bay. Moore was named NFL Offensive Rookie of the Month for December after these performances."

Now remember these preformaces came at a time, late in the year, when we were losing, there was NO motivation, and NO chance for the playoffs.

I just think he deserves to be looked at...not to be claimed our savior by any means, but looked at. Just like how Delhomme was looked at after Pete, he came in off the bench, no one thought he'd be a savior. That year, he took us to our first super bowl.

[CRA]

If Jake sucks and we lose the next few weeks then bring up your argument which while baseless about Moore will at least have credence that Jake is not a good option anymore. But if we win this week and are .500 and on a 3 game winning streak, only a fool would make a change at that point.

Have you not watched this season? Did you not watch him in the preseason? Did you not watch him in the postseason?

There is already enough to determine Jake is not a good option anymore. And a realistic look at someone else should occur now. Give Moore 1 start. That isn't a committment. It is called being a coach and putting the team first.

We won last week and Jake was garbage. Posting a win doesn't change that....you saw what kind of a liability he was last week in that win against possibly the worst team in the NFL.

[panthers55]

Have you not watched this season? Did you not watch him in the preseason? Did you not watch him in the postseason?

There is already enough to determine Jake is not a good option anymore. And a realistic look at someone else should occur now. Give Moore 1 start. That isn't a committment. It is called being a coach and putting the team first.

We won last week and Jake was garbage. Posting a win doesn't change that....you saw what kind of a liability he was last week in that win against possibly the worst team in the NFL.

You have obviously never coached football at any level or played. it isn't rocket science, you go with your starter as long as you win. When you begin losing then everything is open for discussion.

And he wasn't a liability last week anymore than Stewart fumbling inside the five or special teams giving up a TD. Are you going to replace Stewart or totally revamp special teams? Jake didn't play well but made some plays when he needed to like the TD to King. His pick six was bad no argument but the only thing that made it a huge issue was that the special teams had just let Tampa back in the game. If Stewart goes in instead of fumbling and the special teams avoid givng 6 away, that pick six means little.

Why not wait until he screws up again and then you have fresh ammunition. Otherwise you are just recycling the same old crap over and over.

Again answer the question about Feeley. If Peyton Manning can't do well with scrubs, how did a guy who is on our roster who was replaced by Michael Vick do so well as to complete 76% of his passes and have a passer rating of 104 while Moore completed 55% and had a passer rating of 58.

I guess you also know that Cantwell our fourth string quarterback playing with all scrubs and nobodies had better numbers than Moore did.

But argue on, Don.

[CRA]

You have obviously never coached football at any level or played. it isn't rocket science, you go with your starter as long as you win. When you begin losing then everything is open for discussion.

And he wasn't a liability last week anymore than Stewart fumbling inside the five or special teams giving up a TD. Are you going to replace Stewart or totally revamp special teams? Jake didn't play well but made some plays when he needed to like the TD to King. His pick six was bad no argument but the only thing that made it a huge issue was that the special teams had just let Tampa back in the game. If Stewart goes in instead of fumbling and the special teams avoid givng 6 away, that pick six means little.

Why not wait until he screws up again and then you have fresh ammunition. Otherwise you are just recycling the same old crap over and over.

Again answer the question about Feeley. If Peyton Manning can't do well with scrubs, how did a guy who is on our roster who was replaced by Michael Vick do so well as to complete 76% of his passes and have a passer rating of 104 while Moore completed 55% and had a passer rating of 58.

I guess you also know that Cantwell our fourth string quarterback playing with all scrubs and nobodies had better numbers than Moore did.

But argue on, Don.

We have been losing. We just played two of the worst teams in the NFL to finally notch wins....and Jake looked bad then also.

Again, your logic is whack. I made the analogy in another thread...that is like saying the defense is playing better so that means Godfrey all the sudden isn't the worst S in the league, doesn't suck, and is no longer a liability. Winning in spite of crap players like Jake doesn't mean you keep them in there position......if that is what you think coaching is all about......please never be involved in coaching except with small children where it is ok to play anyone regardless of how bad they are.

[Jaxel]

Okay Panther55.. if 7-17, 65 yards, 1 pick and 2 ints will do it for you, for the next 3 games, keep believing.

[goodoleboy]

There is a mental aspect to benching Qbs. Restraint is required or you can ruin a guy. If Jake can turn it around he is the best option but once you make that move you can't go back. Its too early

[Raskle]

I agree Scot.. not likely at all, but I would love to see it happen eventually. I'm tired of being afraid of what will screw up when the QB goes back to throw.

[carolinanimal]

You have obviously never coached football at any level or played. it isn't rocket science, you go with your starter as long as you win. When you begin losing then everything is open for discussion.

And he wasn't a liability last week anymore than Stewart fumbling inside the five or special teams giving up a TD. Are you going to replace Stewart or totally revamp special teams? Jake didn't play well but made some plays when he needed to like the TD to King. His pick six was bad no argument but the only thing that made it a huge issue was that the special teams had just let Tampa back in the game. If Stewart goes in instead of fumbling and the special teams avoid givng 6 away, that pick six means little.

Why not wait until he screws up again and then you have fresh ammunition. Otherwise you are just recycling the same old crap over and over.

Again answer the question about Feeley. If Peyton Manning can't do well with scrubs, how did a guy who is on our roster who was replaced by Michael Vick do so well as to complete 76% of his passes and have a passer rating of 104 while Moore completed 55% and had a passer rating of 58.

I guess you also know that Cantwell our fourth string quarterback playing with all scrubs and nobodies had better numbers than Moore did.

But argue on, Don.

so what your saying is that because he had bad preseason numbers he must suck? what is the excuse for jake delhomme? he looked decent in preseason but has been horrible in the regular season even in wins. you must work for the panthers or something. no one is saying that moore will be tom brady, but my point is if you have to take the ball out of the hands of the leader of the offense to win then a change has to be made. also compare how many snaps he had versus feely.

[cgarsmoker]

I'd like to see what Moore can do but starting him at any point this season over a healthy Jake Delhomme; will be equal to the FO admitting that giving Jake that big contract extension was a mistake. I simply don't see that happening - Fox will ride Jake all the way until the end. He has committed too much money in him being the starter.

As long as Jake is healthy - Moore will not see the field.

[stopncrank]

so what your saying is that because he had bad preseason numbers he must suck? what is the excuse for jake delhomme? he looked decent in preseason but has been horrible in the regular season even in wins. you must work for the panthers or something. no one is saying that moore will be tom brady, but my point is if you have to take the ball out of the hands of the leader of the offense to win then a change has to be made. also compare how many snaps he had versus feely.

all preseason long all i heard was "it's preseason, it doesnt matter." "it's preseason, dont worry." teams that dont prepare for the unexpected get bit by it sooner or later. i can't understand why if moore is as terrible as you guys say how in the world does he stay on the roster? as for his stats looking bad, when he doesnt work with the first team offense, even in practice, wouldnt you think his timing would be a little off, im sure we dont have the playmakers on second string that we do on first right?? i'd much rather give the keys to a guy who's had time in our system, than to go out and blow ANOTHER 1st round pick or any pick for that matter on somebody whos gonna be 2-3 years away. as for a.j. feely, he's no more and upgrade than matt moore, and has had less time in our system than moore. as for the current qb situation, it kind of reminds me of the whole peete/delhomme situation in 03 i think it was?? fox FINALLY made the change to dellhomme and looked like a genius, what if he never made that change and stuck with peete? he probably wouldnt be here right now. looks like with our upcoming schedule, and the way jake is playing, we have the rest of this season to endure this CRAP they call football. id rather make an effort to get better regardless of the out come than to stay staus quo and keep looseing. thats been a pattern with the panthers the last couple of years. need proof of that last statement?? the patriots make roster changes every year, and they win games every year.

[Newtcase]

I'd like to see what Moore can do but starting him at any point this season over a healthy Jake Delhomme; will be equal to the FO admitting that giving Jake that big contract extension was a mistake. I simply don't see that happening - Fox will ride Jake all the way until the end. He has committed too much money in him being the starter.

As long as Jake is healthy - Moore will not see the field.

The most likely scenario would be Jake getting "hurt", real or not, to give Moore his opportunity. It makes the most sense, the team gets to evaluate Moore and save face at the same time.