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Matt Moore starting is highly unlikely....

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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PantherDude Newbie

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I'd like to think if John Fox had it to do over again, he'd do it differently. Can't say I know that, though. His middle name is "stubborn".

I thought Moore could do well as a starter, but I'll freely admit he's outperformed my expectations to this point.

Same here. I always try to wait & see more of him beside the last 3 games 2 yrs. ago before I consider him the starter & so far, he has done more than I was hopping. :)

I wonder if the reason they didn't started Moore before Jake hurt his fingers is maybe they were nervous & weren't sure about him being ready yet? Kinda like Dallas with Romo. I mean, he was with Dallas as a backup for 2/3 yrs. before he became the starter, right? And the fact Moore was also undrafted is probably another reason why they didn't want to start him yet.

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That would have required them to put all the resources into getting Matt ready by playing a lot with the 1s rather than try and fix what was going on with Jake over the bye. They obviously didn't have faith in Moore and chose in hindsight the wrong choice. Perhaps if the bye had been week 7 for example that is exactly what we would have done. The other thing to note is that they might have believed the defense was a big part of the problem as well and if they fixed that, the offense and Jake would play better. Still the turnovers had to be a huge issue especially when we weren't creating many on defense either.

Like this...Good thinking

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CRA Grand Master

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Why should Moore have started the second game? Against Philadelphia he threw a pick and was 6 of 11 for 63 yards and a passer rating of 33. Given that Jake had a rating of 82 against Atlanta in week 2, it made no sense to pull the trigger at that point. Neither had a good first game and Jake was playing better. It wasn't as much Jake was struggling which he was, but that we had no one else to take over. If you were going to pull him it would have been in the Tampa/Buffalo stretch or again in the Miami/Jets stretch which they did. In between those games he played better.

Nothing about Moore's practice, film work or anything suggested he would be as good as he has turned out to be. Hindsight is 20-20 but it wastes time doing the what-if game. Anymore than what if Moore came in too soon like you suggested and stunk up the place and lost his confidence like Jake. Then we would have nothing going to 2010. It is possible he started when he was ready to start just like it is possible he would have burned up the league if he started earlier and we would be in the playoffs.

seriously? you are trying to compare what Jake did in Philly to what Moore did in garbage time when the team had quit and Philly had there ear's pinned back??

also, were you at practice and had film to know there was nothing to show Moore wouldn't be better than what Delhomme was doing? Moore had prepared and started games before....and won..and never showed anything like AZ/Philly.

Moore should have been put in week 3 after the 0-3. Just for 1 game at that point to see what could happen.....midway through the season Jake should have been flat out benched.....I can excuse Fox for not trying Moore after week 3....but after a certain point it simply showed Fox didn't care how bad Jake was he wasn't going to be a coach but a friend.

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seriously? you are trying to compare what Jake did in Philly to what Moore did in garbage time when the team had quit and Philly had there ear's pinned back??

also, were you at practice and had film to know there was nothing to show Moore wouldn't be better than what Delhomme was doing? Moore had prepared and started games before....and won..and never showed anything like AZ/Philly.

Moore should have been put in week 3 after the 0-3. Just for 1 game at that point to see what could happen.....midway through the season Jake should have been flat out benched.....I can excuse Fox for not trying Moore after week 3....but after a certain point it simply showed Fox didn't care how bad Jake was he wasn't going to be a coach but a friend.

Moore wasn't good in Philly and by all accounts struggled in practice. I wasn't at practice but folks who were, have intimated he hasn't done much.

And no when you have a bye you don't have time for everything. The decision was made to fix the defense and work on the offense to make it more effective with Jake instead of going a different direction. In hindsight you can argue it was wrong but at the time it made sense.

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Moore wasn't good in Philly and by all accounts struggled in practice. I wasn't at practice but folks who were, have intimated he hasn't done much.

And no when you have a bye you don't have time for everything. The decision was made to fix the defense and work on the offense to make it more effective with Jake instead of going a different direction. In hindsight you can argue it was wrong but at the time it made sense.

That's such an ignorant arguement. Running the ball was so far lost at that point even the hot dog vendor knew what was coming.

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I don't know what you guys see but Moore hasn't shown me anything.

Well, what I'VE seen are 67 points scored against 2 good teams who had everything to gain by beating us in the last 2 games, and a 4-1 record since taking over the starting role. Manning and Brady, to name but a few, are not always the reason their teams win games, sometimes others step up as well. Moore is showing me much more mobility and a stronger arm than Jake has. We didn't win the game against NE, but there's no shame in that, most teams lose to them, especially on their home field.

I won't annoint the status of "savior" on Moore, or claim that he is 'the answer'. But what he has shown is REAL promise at QB, the kind we haven't seen since Jake took over from Peete in '03. If we can protect him, and get some real WR help, I think our prospects are good going forward. If nothing else, he has been with the team long enough to know the players and system, and with his recent performances, I think it should delay any thoughts of drafting a QB, or pursuing a FA one. Next year we have a 1st round pick again, and the QB class coming out of college can't be any weaker than the present crew is, so if we're going to be serious about a QB in the draft, let's wait until then. Let's give Moore a fair shot at staying the starter thru next season, and the evaluate. If Fox is against that, JR needs to inquire directly as to WHY that is. But let's give everyone a fair chance before jumping to conclusions..

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CRA Grand Master

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Moore wasn't good in Philly and by all accounts struggled in practice. I wasn't at practice but folks who were, have intimated he hasn't done much.

And no when you have a bye you don't have time for everything. The decision was made to fix the defense and work on the offense to make it more effective with Jake instead of going a different direction. In hindsight you can argue it was wrong but at the time it made sense.

what was the score when Moore entered? It wasn't even a game.....funny how you only like to judge Moore only in scenarios where it is unfair to judge his play. Game was over when Moore entered....Carolina had already conceded defeat when Moore entered. He has 7 starts to judge him on.....that is it.

yeah, Darin Gantt and the likes claimed Moore wasn't good and recycled the old Fox line.

Defense was fine against Philly. Defense hasn't been a problem all year. Jake and the offense have screwed them in games....that is it.

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