Panthers one of most over-rated teams

[saints4lifeagain]

28 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Explosive? Philly was 13th in passing yards. They’re an average passing offense that throws way more to TEs. Philly had 1969 WR yards last year, with no one over 800 yards. NO had 2604 WR yards. If Smith in one of his two worst years of his career was in the NO WR passing offense, he’d have 569 yards. Again one of his worst years as the #3 WR without Brees he gets 569. You just said Ginn had his career year with Brees as the #2 WR and it was 787 yards. Smith is getting a bit undersold based on his past two years with very few targets in offenses nothing like NO. It’ll be fun to see him with Cam because he seems to be getting ignored even on this forum as if he’s way past his prime and not 29. 

Phillys offense was a big play machine. Smith averaged what? 10 ypc?

[t96]

1 hour ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Smith was basically a #1 receiver in Baltimore, of course his overall numbers are better lol. On top of playing in an offense QBd by a guy that literally only throws deep well,in Flacco, while Ginn was stuck in SF with Alex Smith and a conservative offense. 

Ginn dropped 2 balls all year last year. Caught all 10 catchable deep balls thrown his way and had the 3rd highest deep ball catch rate in football. Meanwhile, Torrey was nonexistent in an explosive Philly offense. 

Ginn has more than double the yards Smith has the last 2 years and had the best year of his career.

Ginn's entire career as a wide receiver was resurrected ONLY because of Cam. Then he happened to be the primary deep threat on your team with Brees (HoF QB who hasn't slowed down at all--unfortunately) and a dominant running game opening up the entire field for him. I liked Ginn here and wasn't happy when he went to you guys but don't act like Ginn has ever done anything on his own in this league. Ginn is not a very good receiver. Smith has had his own struggles recently, no doubt, but he's absolutely a better all around receiver and deep threat who hasn't had to be lifted by his QB (or total offense with you guys). Flacco was straight up trash except for one postseason and so was whoever was throwing the ball in San Fran and Smith was so much better than Ginn ever was without Cam/Brees... 

[t96]

22 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

But we're not talking about as an overall WR. I'd be taking Smith in a heartbeat. I'm talking strictly deep threat, I'm taking Ginn. 

Well if by deep threat you mean 100% go routes only then sure Ginn. He's one of the fastest players in the league and that's the only route he can run better than other WRs. But that's not the only route used on deep throws, and Torrey is so much better at every other route in the tree that overall as a deep threat he's better.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Would agree. Interested to see if the velocity of Drews passes had something to do with it or if it was just happenstance. 

I believe it does.

Michael Irvin caught most of his passes from Troy Aikman, but he had the chance to catch passes from Brett Favre in the Pro Bowl. I remember hearing him talk about it being a huge difference.

Ginn would probably say the same thing.

 

[CPcavedweller]

5 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

And because of it people actually think that it’s a blueprint for success...

Remind us all again how that season ended?

Stop comparing every roster to the 2015 one. It makes you sound clueless. At least we had Ginn to stretch the field, we don’t even have that anymore. As long as we have Cam there’s always hope every season but god damn, some of you need to realize 2015 was a different kind of special and not a recipe for success. 

Have a pumpkin spice latte for your triggered ass. 

[top dawg]

5 hours ago, Dex said:

That's the optimistic homer in you talking. I'm VERY excited for this season but the analysis from the article is a fair unbiased perspective in my opinion. 

I can see you having a wait-and-see attitude about the receivers, but believing that they're weak before the season even starts is more than a wee bit pessimistic.

[Seoul_Panther]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I believe it does.

Michael Irvin caught most of his passes from Troy Aikman, but he had the chance to catch passes from Brett Favre in the Pro Bowl. I remember hearing him talk about it being a huge difference.

Ginn would probably say the same thing.

 

  It will be interesting to see how Ginn goes this year. Can't argue he had a great year last year and that at current WR rates he was great value to the Saints last year. Which is annoying. Not quite ready to annoint him a world-beater though.

[Dex]

19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I can see you having a wait-and-see attitude about the receivers, but believing that they're weak before the season even starts is more than a wee bit pessimistic.

They haven't proved anything yet. New OC. New system. I say my view is realistic. Nonetheless I'm excited.

[Seoul_Panther]

As far as the article goes, its just off-season click-bait. We are supposed to react. As others have said how can we be over-rated when we are predicted by most outlets to be third in our division? Surely by definition that should make us ineligible? To be honest as an exercise, you could take any team in the league and make a case for how they could have a bad season. Personally I don't need other people to have high expectations of my team, for me to feel good about the upcoming season.

[GoobyPls]

15 minutes ago, Seoul_Panther said:

  It will be interesting to see how Ginn goes this year. Can't argue he had a great year last year and that at current WR rates he was great value to the Saints last year. Which is annoying. Not quite ready to annoint him a world-beater though.

Remember Lafell first season in NE he barely dropped anything (deflated footballs), than the following season he led the nfl in drops per game and ended up getting cut at the end of the season.

 

Last year was outlier for Ginn, he has had problems with drops everywhere he’s gone, just give it time.

[saints4lifeagain]

53 minutes ago, t96 said:

Ginn's entire career as a wide receiver was resurrected ONLY because of Cam. Then he happened to be the primary deep threat on your team with Brees (HoF QB who hasn't slowed down at all--unfortunately) and a dominant running game opening up the entire field for him. I liked Ginn here and wasn't happy when he went to you guys but don't act like Ginn has ever done anything on his own in this league. Ginn is not a very good receiver. Smith has had his own struggles recently, no doubt, but he's absolutely a better all around receiver and deep threat who hasn't had to be lifted by his QB (or total offense with you guys). Flacco was straight up trash except for one postseason and so was whoever was throwing the ball in San Fran and Smith was so much better than Ginn ever was without Cam/Brees... 

Flacco has always thrown a good deep ball with his huge arm. 

For the record, I'm not claiming Ginn to be a good enough receiver to make a name for himself. But he can get deep. 

51 minutes ago, t96 said:

Well if by deep threat you mean 100% go routes only then sure Ginn. He's one of the fastest players in the league and that's the only route he can run better than other WRs. But that's not the only route used on deep throws, and Torrey is so much better at every other route in the tree that overall as a deep threat he's better.

Don't agree. I watched Ginn run posts and deep outs and ins all year. He's a decent route runner. His weak link has always been his hands. 

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, Dex said:

They haven't proved anything yet. New OC. New system. I say my view is realistic. 

In light of franchise history, I withhold judgment until at least the third week of the regular season. I think that's very realistic.

[SOJA]

7 hours ago, Manther said:

NFL's Most Overrated Teams Entering 2018 Training Camp

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783921-nfls-most-overrated-teams-entering-2018-training-camp#slide1

What they are billed as: A former NFC champ getting back to the things that made them contenders.

What they are: A former NFC champ moving away from the things that made them contenders.

The Panthers are weak at wide receiver, weak in the secondary, old and thin at the pass-rush positions, expensive and ineffective on the offensive line, and coping with suspensions and injury concerns at linebacker. They have turned their offense over to a coordinator in Norv Turner who is likely to nerf their most dynamic players.

did this guy even bother to compare our WR corps from the year we went to the Superbowl to this years?

[SOJA]

6 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Yes. I recall when KB went down, everyone who watched football said we were done....

if we are being honest I thought we were toast too