Is Hurney next to get the boot?

[panthers55]

33 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   You want me to go back and research every available WR in the second half of last season even though I already stated they would be of similar value to Kerley. Who, once again was just used as an example. Something you can’t seem to comprehend. Yet you can’t even seem to keep up with our own team. You came up n attacking with bogus facts about Byrd. And seem totally unwilling to acknowledge it. You attacked me first armed with BS and now get upset that I pointed it out. 

  And yes, I would have taken Kerley over Clay, Bersin or Frazier.  Or just about anybody. Hurney banked on two players who( wasjust recovering from injury) and was 4 weeks away from even coming off IR) to stay healthy. 

Yeah I want you to do the research and give me credible names of folks who are obvious upgrades. You are right I forgot that Bryd didn't come back until week 13. So I guess you get a cookie. But that hardly justifies your point.  And if you would take a guy just suspended for PEDs over anyone at that point it is clear your football acumen is seriously suspect.   What did Benjamin do after he went to Buffalo? Remember the decision to dump Benjamin was made with Rivera's blessing and netted us 2 draft picks. So really there are 2 parts. Was it a good trade? Yeah because we were not going to sign Benjamin to a long term deal this year so we would have lost him anyway. This way we got 2 picks. Should we have picked someone else up? I am sure Hurney and Rivera looked around and didn't see an obvious upgrade. At the time Samuel was back and starting to contribute.  We were getting Olsen back in week 12. Receivers who.play in a difference system like the Jets and San Francisco couldn't have come in and started the next game. So who exactly knew our system or a Coryell system, was sitting on the couch and wanted to play for cheap? That is the point. Sure we missed Benjamin but he wasn't the answer and wouldn't be here now. When Belicheck dumps a vet for draft picks when the Patriots aren't going to resign them, he is a genius. When Hurney does the same thing he is castigated. So yeah if you can't find specific guys to support your point then how could Hurney and our scouts?

As for getting mad, what are you talking about? I don't get mad debating a point. I do get miffed when people make personal attacks but still try to restrain myself. And saying your football acumen is suspect if you would bring in someone right after a suspension for PEDs isn't an attack so much as an observation.

tldr: So if you actually have names of folks who we could used to upgrade then let's see them. Otherwise you can't say Hurney was wrong for not upgrading if there were no one who fit the bill and would have contributed more than we expected Samuel to contribute until Olsen came back week 12.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Yeah I want you to do the research and give me credible names of folks who are obvious upgrades. You are right I forgot that Bryd didn't come back until week 13. So I guess you get a cookie. But that hardly justifies your point.  And if you would take a guy just suspended for PEDs over anyone at that point it is clear your football acumen is seriously suspect.   What did Benjamin do after he went to Buffalo? Remember the decision to dump Benjamin was made with Rivera's blessing and netted us 2 draft picks. So really there are 2 parts. Was it a good trade? Yeah because we were not going to sign Benjamin to a long term deal this year so we would have lost him anyway. This way we got 2 picks. Should we have picked someone else up? I am sure Hurney and Rivera looked around and didn't see an obvious upgrade. At the time Samuel was back and starting to contribute.  We were getting Olsen back in week 12. Receivers who.play in a difference system like the Jets and San Francisco couldn't have come in and started the next game. So who exactly knew our system or a Coryell system, was sitting on the couch and wanted to play for cheap? That is the point. Sure we missed Benjamin but he wasn't the answer and wouldn't be here now. When Belicheck dumps a vet for draft picks when the Patriots aren't going to resign them, he is a genius. When Hurney does the same thing he is castigated. So yeah if you can't find specific guys to support your point then how could Hurney and our scouts?

As for getting mad, what are you talking about? I don't get mad debating a point. I do get miffed when people make personal attacks but still try to restrain myself. And saying your football acumen is suspect if you would bring in someone right after a suspension for PEDs isn't an attack so much as an observation.

tldr: So if you actually have names of folks who we could used to upgrade then let's see them. Otherwise you can't say Hurney was wrong for not upgrading if there were no one who fit the bill and would have contributed more than we expected Samuel to contribute until Olsen came back week 12.

  Since I already stated I had no problem with the trade itself, you could have saved that part of your rant. 

 And does a PED suspension mean your career is over. Because how.could Wes Horton be here. Do we cut Thomas Davis and move on. My limited football acumen(lol) cant tell. 

   Maybe it’s just me, but I’m guessing a 7-year vet of multiple offenses can learn to run routes as effectively as rookies who are borderline practice squad players. Did we even work out anyone? Instead we had Clay dropping TDs and Bersin gripping over the 38yd line. I’ll just stick with Kerley. Could have signed him when Byrd got hurt. Who would you have felt more comfortable with in NO? Kerley or Frazier.(or Bersin) (or Shepard). 

  And don’t worry, I’ve always thought you were a complete idiot homer. So no big deal. Make fun of my football acumen all you want. I take it as a compliment considering the source.

[panthers55]

42 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Since I already stated I had no problem with the trade itself, you could have saved that part of your rant. 

 And does a PED suspension mean your career is over. Because how.could Wes Horton be here. Do we cut Thomas Davis and move on. My limited football acumen(lol) cant tell. 

   Maybe it’s just me, but I’m guessing a 7-year vet of multiple offenses can learn to run routes as effectively as rookies who are borderline practice squad players. Did we even work out anyone? Instead we had Clay dropping TDs and Bersin gripping over the 38yd line. I’ll just stick with Kerley. Could have signed him when Byrd got hurt. Who would you have felt more comfortable with in NO? Kerley or Frazier.(or Bersin) (or Shepard). 

  And don’t worry, I’ve always thought you were a complete idiot homer. So no big deal. Make fun of my football acumen all you want. I take it as a compliment considering the source.

So we finally get down to the personal attacks and exaggerations to deflect the reality that you had no names of any credible receiver who would have been an upgrade so you trash everyone else. Then you go on to defend  your choice who you didn't even know was suspended until week 15. C'mon now it is okay to admit you were wrong and looked for a free agent still there in October.  Or at least let it go and not make it worse with your attempts to justify yourself. You have screwed up before, we all have. It is no big deal...

[top dawg]

Honestly, I thought Kerley should have been looked at in the spring (last year), and I said as much (along with Juzczyk), so I wonder what that means...

I'm not going to play the second-guessing game over Kerley though.  

I will say that this is the best I've felt about the team going into camp in a long time. 

[t96]

On 7/14/2018 at 2:12 PM, top dawg said:

If we aren't successful this season, I give Hurney about a 40-60 chance of being around this time next year.

Sure, we play in probably the toughest division in football, and there logically is a transition period that may make things a bit more complex, but this isn't Hurney's, Rivera's, or Norv's first time around the block. They are seasoned professionals, and we won 11 games last year. You have to hold serve and compete! I'll give you the opportunity to make your case for failure, and you might be able to talk me into another year, but I must see progress and improvement relatively early into my tenure as owner.

If we miss the playoffs with this team everyone should be gone. And maybe even if we come up short early in the playoffs and don’t even have a respectable game... SB or bust at this point with Rivera, Cam, Luke.

[ickmule]

4 minutes ago, t96 said:

If we miss the playoffs with this team everyone should be gone. And maybe even if we come up short early in the playoffs and don’t even have a respectable game... SB or bust at this point with Rivera, Cam, Luke.

I wouldn't count on this team making the playoffs. We are, at best, the 3rd best team in the NFCS. I have no idea what everyone thinks we are loaded with talent.....we are not. I also don't believe Tepper will clean house after one season regardless of the record. 

[t96]

7 minutes ago, ickmule said:

I wouldn't count on this team making the playoffs. We are, at best, the 3rd best team in the NFCS. I have no idea what everyone thinks we are loaded with talent.....we are not. I also don't believe Tepper will clean house after one season regardless of the record. 

We were 11-5 last year (and probably should’ve been better by a game or two) and the only loss was Norwell—largely outweighed by gains in the draft, Torrey Smith, getting guys back healthy for the year like Olsen, Kalil (who will also bring up his brother’s play a bit), Byrd, and Samuel... Plus most importantly the upgrade at OC and QB coach. After last year and this offseason there is zero excuse for not making the playoffs and that’s at the very least.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

We were 11-5 last year (and probably should’ve been better by a game or two) and the only loss was Norwell—largely outweighed by gains in the draft, Torrey Smith, getting guys back healthy for the year like Olsen, Kalil (who will also bring up his brother’s play a bit), Byrd, and Samuel... Plus most importantly the upgrade at OC and QB coach. After last year and this offseason there is zero excuse for not making the playoffs and that’s at the very least.

You say that as though our division foes were resting on their laurels. They got better too. 

When Hurney took this team over, it had some potentially serious shortcomings, and I don't necessarily believe that it could have all been fixed with one offseason and one draft. Moreover, we have a new OC and DC. And, yes, I understand that the systems are similar, but there will be a transition with growing pains nonetheless. In my opinion, it would be absolutely foolhardy to clean house based upon the circumstances. 

Now mind you, I didn't say that it would have been crazy for Tepper to just come in and clean the slate---that would have been fully understandable, if not acceptable---but what I am saying is that if you listen to what Tepper has said about the football side of things, in my opinion there is no way to reconcile or justify cleaning house from this point unless we are just abysmal this season.

Tepper seems like a patient and sober-minded guy. Plus, he is not some Joe Blow that doesn't know the game. He isn't looking at the team or the league through one end of a tunnel, he is getting the bigger picture, and upon that is what I believe he will base his decisions. 

[The Pieyed Piper]

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