Restocking the Barren Tree

[DaveThePanther2008]

56 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

The very best at their position, often make the worst coaches.

TD is smart, as is Luke...but more than that, they are physical freaks, and their instincts are top notch.  Those guys just don't understand why others can't see what they see, or do what they do.

 

Good Point.....but most of these guys understand the entire defense not just their position.

But to your point not many HOFer's became good coaches.  Mike Singletary was probably the best and he was mediocre at best.

[thefuzz]

19 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Good Point.....but most of these guys understand the entire defense not just their position.

But to your point not many HOFer's became good coaches.  Mike Singletary was probably the best and he was mediocre at best.

Ron was a decent LB in the NFL...but is a pretty good coach.  I just can't think of many modern coaches that were Grade A players...at least not successful ones.

[mc52beast]

There’s plenty of good defensive minds around the NFL, don’t always have to promote from within.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Never did I say I was worried.   Good God.... Amazing how everyone turns a topic into some sort of drama.  It is an offseason topic.  You know something to discuss.  You can only discuss Tepper and the MF statue so much. 

McDermott and Rivera worked together before and Wilks worked with Rivera in San Diego.   While McDermott may be a cross between Jimmy Johnson and Rivera.  Wilks has a strong Rivera flavor.

   When you start bringing in DC from outside the organization you lose some continuity.  One of the reasons we have had success year after year on defense is because continuity.   Coaches that worked and understood Rivera's philosophy.

I would like to see new meat under Rivera.  You may or may not believe it but Rivera is a damn good defensive mind.

 

You were the one angsting to start with talking about the cupboard being barren and needing to restock. You started with needing new blood, then get pissy when people like me respectfully suggest that this isn't a problem or an issue given there will be tons of candidates available who know Rivera's philosophy.

Actually Wilks and McDermott were not that similar philosophically  but both worked with Rivera and we're familiar with our basic setup and Rivera's defensive strategies as you note. I bet with all the places that Rivera has coached there are plenty of folks he has worked with and would fit right in. So that list would be substantial. Then add the internal guys who might be ready in a year or two when Washington could leave and again no big deal. No one said that your topic wasn't worthy of discussion but getting pissy when someone disagrees also seems to be your MO.

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

10 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You were the one angsting to start with talking about the cupboard being barren and needing to restock. You started with needing new blood, then get pissy when people like me respectfully suggest that this isn't a problem or an issue given there will be tons of candidates available who know Rivera's philosophy.

Actually Wilks and McDermott were not that similar philosophically  but both worked with Rivera and we're familiar with our basic setup and Rivera's defensive strategies as you note. I bet with all the places that Rivera has coached there are plenty of folks he has worked with and would fit right in. So that list would be substantial. Then add the internal guys who might be ready in a year or two when Washington could leave and again no big deal. No one said that your topic wasn't worthy of discussion but getting pissy when someone disagrees also seems to be your MO.

 

I wasn't getting pissy you or anyone else disagrees with me.

Most of my posts I start with the word "thought".  Clearly trying to develop a conversation.

[DaveThePanther2008]

10 hours ago, mc52beast said:

There’s plenty of good defensive minds around the NFL, don’t always have to promote from within.

Of course, but when you bring someone in from the outside you don't have that continuity you develop when you promote from within.   There's a reason we maintained the same philosophy for the past 8 years or so.    Of course Wilks was a bit more aggressive or you could say tried to run his defense when he didn't really have the players to run his defense.  Overall most of our coaches coached the defense based on Ron's background.

[jbland]

On 7/11/2018 at 3:54 AM, Verge said:

Wilks was a head coaching candidate before he was promoted to DC, I don't believe Washington is on the radar, we at least have him for two more seasons. 

That all depends on who his defenses perform. 

[panthers55]

10 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Of course, but when you bring someone in from the outside you don't have that continuity you develop when you promote from within.   There's a reason we maintained the same philosophy for the past 8 years or so.    Of course Wilks was a bit more aggressive or you could say tried to run his defense when he didn't really have the players to run his defense.  Overall most of our coaches coached the defense based on Ron's background.

That might be a valid point if your head coach was an offensive minded guy. But as long as Rivera is here it will be his defense and continue with little interruption. He will pick someone who shares his philosophy and the transition likely won't be anymore problematic than it will be with Washington. You could also argue that bringing someone in from outside brings in new ideas and improves the collective wisdom in the room so everyone doesn't suffer from  the "group think" philosophy.

[panthers55]

22 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Ron was a decent LB in the NFL...but is a pretty good coach.  I just can't think of many modern coaches that were Grade A players...at least not successful ones.

For many grade A players, especially recent ones, coaching would be an a huge increase in workload for arguably much less pay. Many would rather be talking heads or pursue other careers which are less labor intensive and less stressful. Most guys who want to coach have mediocre talent and don't make big bucks during their career.

[Moo Daeng]

On 7/11/2018 at 11:20 AM, thefuzz said:

Ron was a decent LB in the NFL...but is a pretty good coach.  I just can't think of many modern coaches that were Grade A players...at least not successful ones

 

Dick Labeau is a HOF player, long time DC and short time HC

Ditka, HOF player and SB winning coach

Mike Munchak is HOF player and long time OL coach and short term head coach.

 

[Iron Saint]

On 7/11/2018 at 5:48 AM, Ace_Aladdin said:

I wouldn't mind poaching NO or NE staff 

Hey, back up off my staff, man! 

Ask nicely and maybe we'll let you have Dan Campbell. Y'all aint getting Allen, Nolan, or Nielsen.

On 7/12/2018 at 9:15 PM, Moo Daeng said:

 

Dick Labeau is a HOF player, long time DC and short time HC

Ditka, HOF player and SB winning coach

Mike Munchak is HOF player and long time OL coach and short term head coach.

 

Yeah, he also ran us into the ground in a span of 3 years and further handicapped us by trading away our 1st rounder for 2000 for Ricky Williams and then proceeding to get fired after the 1999 season.

This is a man that had not only one, but two, Billy Joe's on the roster at the same time and both of them saw significant snaps at QB. He should've been fired for that alone.