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[AggieLean]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This thread has convinced me that guy has an IQ hovering around room temperature. The abandonment of logic it requires to talk about "common decency" while using mental gymnastics to justify stiffing waitstaff is nothing short of astounding.

No need to insult the man just because he doesn’t incorporate the same tipping practices as yourself.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, AggieLean said:

No need to insult the man just because he doesn’t incorporate the same tipping practices as yourself.

That is the funny thing, even the ardent anti-tipping crowd(who I don't agree with) come off better than the ardent mandatory tipping crowd. I honestly hope none of the servers I have ever tipped have been this ridiculously entitled.

[tiger7_88]

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I have only not tipped maybe 3-4 times in my life, and deservedly so for those that didn't get it. 

[micnificent28]

My whole stance is the system is outdated and in need of reform. Instead of agreeing or having discussion about reform I get”this is the way it’s always been and if you don’t like it don’t eat out”. Making sure the server gets compensated would fix everyone’s issue. Separating bathrooms by race use to be the way it always was until it was changed. 

Why some people use the “good ole ways” as an excuse to improve life for everyone is beyond me.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

My whole stance is the system is outdated and in need of reform. Instead of agreeing or having discussion about reform I get”this is the way it’s always been and if you don’t like it don’t eat out”. Making sure the server gets compensated would fix everyone’s issue. Separating bathrooms by race use to be the way it always was until it was changed. 

Why some people use the “good ole ways” as an excuse to improve life for everyone is beyond me.

I think it basically comes down to you have a few entitled assholes that would rather bitch and cry about why they deserve(or deserved) this and that rather than have an honest discourse about why it is a fuged system. The best part is that this crowd has been attacking people for being old and out of date in this thread if they didn't agree with their views. Yet they champion the "this is the way it's always been!" portion of this argument.

The thing that I find most hypocritical about it is that a few of us are forwarding a minimum wage or living wage for them, even at the expense of the price of OUR food. But the "super servers" here want customers to subsidize their wages in a "mandatory" non-mandatory system of gratuity. That is just plain stupid. Flat out.

 

[SmootsDaddy89]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it basically comes down to you have a few entitled assholes that would rather bitch and cry about why they deserve(or deserved) this and that rather than have an honest discourse about why it is a fuged system.

 

Do you expect to be paid for your work at your job? Would you be okay with your boss going, "Eh, you haven't really lived up to my vague standards of "exceptional work." so I'm not paying you today." Or would you feel "entitled" to your earnings for the work you put in regardless? Because that's what's happening to servers.

 

Imagine coming to work every day, and instead of reporting to the same boss each and every day, you report to dozens of new bosses. They all have different personalities, different thresholds for what they consider acceptable work that they're actually willing to compensate you for, and different pay rates. You have to try to meet those standards, not knowing how high they are, or if they're non-existent and they've already decided not to pay you, because they simply don't value your work. But you don't know that, so you put your best foot forward, even with those shitty bosses, only to have them tell you that you won't be getting paid for the work you did for them. Feel entitled yet?

[SmootsDaddy89]

4 hours ago, Still Brooklyn said:

They need to change professions if this is their solution to making it.

Yeah man looking back when I had the option of being a server or a CPA in high school/college I really fuged up that choice.

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, SmootsDaddy89 said:

Do you expect to be paid for your work at your job? Would you be okay with your boss going, "Eh, you haven't really lived up to my vague standards of "exceptional work." so I'm not paying you today." Or would you feel "entitled" to your earnings for the work you put in regardless? Because that's what's happening to servers.

 

Imagine coming to work every day, and instead of reporting to the same boss each and every day, you report to dozens of new bosses. They all have different personalities, different thresholds for what they consider acceptable work that they're actually willing to compensate you for, and different pay rates. You have to try to meet those standards, not knowing how high they are, or if they're non-existent and they've already decided not to pay you, because they simply don't value your work. But you don't know that, so you put your best foot forward, even with those shitty bosses, only to have them tell you that you won't be getting paid for the work you did for them. Feel entitled yet?

But aren't you basically stating my argument back to me? It is a nonsense system. But, you allow random people and their differing notions of the value of your work to be the basis of the bulk of your salary when you work under a non-mandatory gratuity system. That is exactly why myself and others in this thread have consistently stated that we don't agree with the structure at all. Somehow, certain people seem to construe that as that we don't tip or that we shouldn't be allowed to eat out. But why would that be my point of view when I have stated multiple times I would gladly pay more for my food to allow servers to have a consistent wage?

The entitlement aspect relates directly to the extreme negativity towards any and all that don't agree that "20% is mandatory under any and all circumstances" or "I don't think that I should have to tip a percentage in <insert scenario>." Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean their point of view is invalid nor does it mean that aren't allowed to do that because it is not MANDATORY. It is gratuity! I think most people understand that, whether servers or not. Some people are cheap, some people are assholes, some people are generous, some people are extremely considerate, etc, etc. It is part of the job, just like dealing with people in any other customer service profession. The only thing that makes servers at all a special case is that they are often forced to rely on the "kindness of strangers" to pay their wages. Which, I will state again, I do not like. It's a fuged system.

[tiger7_88]

19 minutes ago, SmootsDaddy89 said:

Do you expect to be paid for your work at your job? Would you be okay with your boss going, "Eh, you haven't really lived up to my vague standards of "exceptional work." so I'm not paying you today." Or would you feel "entitled" to your earnings for the work you put in regardless? Because that's what's happening to servers.

 

Imagine coming to work every day, and instead of reporting to the same boss each and every day, you report to dozens of new bosses. They all have different personalities, different thresholds for what they consider acceptable work that they're actually willing to compensate you for, and different pay rates. You have to try to meet those standards, not knowing how high they are, or if they're non-existent and they've already decided not to pay you, because they simply don't value your work. But you don't know that, so you put your best foot forward, even with those shitty bosses, only to have them tell you that you won't be getting paid for the work you did for them. Feel entitled yet?

What... you don't believe Mr. "Trust Me, I Tip, But This Tipping Stuff Is A Crock, Believe Me, Trust Me!"?

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

 What... you don't believe Mr. "Trust Me, I Tip, But This Tipping Stuff Is A Crock, Believe Me, Trust Me!"?

I bet you can't show one single message you have contributed in this thread that is a rational thought and not a snide, cutting remark. 

I am sure that same quality is the reason you have so many recollections of people stiffing you on tips.

[Toolbox]

tipping is stupid as hell and I hate it.. I only tip every now and then when I eat at my regular spot so they won't hate me 2 much.

[Floppin]

1 hour ago, Toolbox said:

tipping is stupid as hell and I hate it.. I only tip every now and then when I eat at my regular spot so they won't hate me 2 much.

Don't worry. They hate you.

[Toolbox]

1 hour ago, Floppin said:

Don't worry. They hate you.

Oh cool I should just never tip again because of your wonderful divination skills.

[Icege]

14 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I have done neither. But I can imagine that the drive through person is not always working the window. The next day she or he is on the grill sweeping and mopping floors,cleaning bathrooms and at times they are required to bring your food out to your car. I am not sure waitresses ever have to cook but I think you are required to clean up as well. The two are not that different in the grand scheme of things. One is just more highly thought of.

Would you be open to the perspective of somebody that has both worked a drive thru in fast food and waited tables in a more traditional restaurant in how they are drastically different?