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[micnificent28]

9 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

not if youre still tipping at 10% no matter how bad the "system" infuriates you.

I said 10% because someone who actually works in the field a few pages back said 10% which is exactly the point. No one knows anymore it’s not a set wage or law it’s a slidding scale left up to the person who may or may not be inclined to be generous. So no one gets cheated or needs to be included in the bill or a set law is all I’m saying. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Still Brooklyn said:

"Stiffing" waitstaff would mean you were required to do so.

Hey, whatever makes you feel better about being a selfish cheapskate.

If you don't want to tip, just order your food to go. Sitting down and enjoying the service of waitstaff knowing they survive off of tips and then not tipping or tipping poorly for acceptable service is a really shitty thing to do.

[Moo Daeng]

You know you are a cheap jerk when spend 2 weeks bragging about being a cheap jerk.

[Peppers90 NC]

9 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

You know you are a cheap jerk when spend 2 weeks bragging about being a cheap jerk.

And doing mental backflips to somehow justify or defend it.

[Still Brooklyn]

21 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hey, whatever makes you feel better about being a selfish cheapskate.

If you don't want to tip, just order your food to go. Sitting down and enjoying the service of waitstaff knowing they survive off of tips and then not tipping or tipping poorly for acceptable service is a really shitty thing to do.

I tip. I just want to point out it's not the law. No one has to tip. And they shouldn't be looked down on for not tipping. If you don't want to work a job where much of your income comes from the generosity of others ... don't wait tables.

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Still Brooklyn said:

I tip. I just want to point out it's not the law. No one has to tip. And they shouldn't be looked down on for not tipping. If you don't want to work a job where much of your income comes from the generosity of others ... don't wait tables.

If people don't want to tip, that's fine. Don't utilize the services of waitstaff. Get your food to go. If you utilize someone's services knowing full well that they depend on tips for a living and you choose not to tip appropriately for acceptable service, then yeah, you absolutely should be looked down upon.  Everyone knows the deal going into this. Waiters expect to be tipped. Diners should know that they're expected to tip. I get it if people don't like that system, but the system is what it is. If people don't want to participate in that system, fine. But stiffing people who depend on those tips for a living is absolutely not an appropriate way to buck the system. Now choosing to stiff someone or tip someone poorly due to unacceptably poor service? That's a different story. I don't do it I'll always tip at least 15%, but I honestly don't have a problem if someone does. 

[Still Brooklyn]

31 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If people don't want to tip, that's fine. Don't utilize the services of waitstaff. Get your food to go. If you utilize someone's services knowing full well that they depend on tips for a living and you choose not to tip appropriately for acceptable service, then yeah, you absolutely should be looked down upon.  Everyone knows the deal going into this. Waiters expect to be tipped. Diners should know that they're expected to tip. I get it if people don't like that system, but the system is what it is. If people don't want to participate in that system, fine. But stiffing people who depend on those tips for a living is absolutely not an appropriate way to buck the system. Now choosing to stiff someone or tip someone poorly due to unacceptably poor service? That's a different story. I don't do it I'll always tip at least 15%, but I honestly don't have a problem if someone does. 

You can 100% utilize the services of the staff because that's what they do for a living. Serve you. And since no one is required to pay them, they shouldn't feel the need to. It's not the patron's fault this silly system is the way it is. It's not our job to pay a waiter's rent. They need to change professions if this is their solution to making it. Hell, most other countries have zero tipping and in some places it's frowned upon and even illegal. Why the US has such a silly set up (one that is actually "unspoken") is beyond me. Just add a tip to the bill like many high-end restaurants do. Problem solved. I feel zero empathy for a waiter ... but as I said, yes, I tip. But I have no issue with someone who doesn't.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Still Brooklyn said:

You can 100% utilize the services of the staff because that's what they do for a living. Serve you. And since no one is required to pay them, they shouldn't feel the need to. It's not the patron's fault this silly system is the way it is. It's not our job to pay a waiter's rent. They need to change professions if this is their solution to making it. Hell, most other countries have zero tipping and in some places it's frowned upon and even illegal. Why the US has such a silly set up (one that is actually "unspoken") is beyond me. Just add a tip to the bill like many high-end restaurants do. Problem solved. I feel zero empathy for a waiter ... but as I said, yes, I tip. But I have no issue with someone who doesn't because.

That's a complete and utter cop out. Like I said, both parties know what they're signing up for going into this. If you choose not to participate in that system, then don't. But don't utilize the services and then bitch out on upholding your end of the bargain.

[Mother Grabber]

the thing that's really funny about this is that for most of us on here, we're talking about a few bucks, maybe $5, but rarely more than $10.  Most of the time, we're talking about a $20ish meal, where the difference between 10% and 20% is a whopping $2.    Crank it up to a $40 meal, and we're still only talking about an extra $4 to leave a large tip.

Let's go crazy, and say we drop $100 at a table, 10% is $10, and 20% is $20.  So, am I going to get my panties in a wad over $10?  You bet your ass not.  Give the server the extra couple of bucks.  While you're at it, look at how much you spent on drinks and then tell me you can't afford to tip.  Skip the sodas for $2.50 each, or one $5-10 beer, and you've made up the difference.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Still Brooklyn said:

You can 100% utilize the services of the staff because that's what they do for a living. Serve you. And since no one is required to pay them, they shouldn't feel the need to. It's not the patron's fault this silly system is the way it is. It's not our job to pay a waiter's rent. They need to change professions if this is their solution to making it. Hell, most other countries have zero tipping and in some places it's frowned upon and even illegal. Why the US has such a silly set up (one that is actually "unspoken") is beyond me. Just add a tip to the bill like many high-end restaurants do. Problem solved. I feel zero empathy for a waiter ... but as I said, yes, I tip. But I have no issue with someone who doesn't.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Mother Grabber said:

the thing that's really funny about this is that for most of us on here, we're talking about a few bucks, maybe $5, but rarely more than $10.  Most of the time, we're talking about a $20ish meal, where the difference between 10% and 20% is a whopping $2.    Crank it up to a $40 meal, and we're still only talking about an extra $4 to leave a large tip.

Let's go crazy, and say we drop $100 at a table, 10% is $10, and 20% is $20.  So, am I going to get my panties in a wad over $10?  You bet your ass not.  Give the server the extra couple of bucks.  While you're at it, look at how much you spent on drinks and then tell me you can't afford to tip.  Skip the sodas for $2.50 each, or one $5-10 beer, and you've made up the difference.

If $5 more is the cost that it takes to help someone make their night AFTER they've given me adequate (hopefully good-to-great) service, I'm in.

Personally, it makes me feel good to be generous.  Others?  Not so much.

I really don't anticipate, even if the WORST happened in the future and everything fell apart for me, that I'll ever be kicking myself over my lavish "tipping".

 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's a complete and utter cop out. Like I said, both parties know what they're signing up for going into this. If you choose not to participate in that system, then don't. But don't utilize the services and then bitch out on upholding your end of the bargain.

Yeah, except the problem is you keep posturing as if participation on the part of the customer is mandatory. It is not. 

[tiger7_88]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, except the problem is you keep posturing as if participation on the part of the customer is mandatory. It is not. 

You guys who keep saying this think you're so clever and we don't see right through it.

No, you won't be arrested if you don't tip.

But we understand why you don't (you're self-centered and cheap).

And just because you're not going to get arrested doesn't make you any less of a poo-person.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, tiger7_88 said:

You guys who keep saying this think you're so clever and we don't see right through it.

No, you won't be arrested if you don't tip.

But we understand why you don't (you're self-centered and cheap).

And just because you're not going to get arrested doesn't make you any less of a poo-person.

I have only not tipped maybe 3-4 times in my life, and deservedly so for those that didn't get it. 

But my actions are irrelevant, the point still stands that it is not mandatory to tip 15% to 20% regardless of any scenario(something that multiple people have opined here) related to quality of service. That is literally the dumbest idea I have ever heard. The. Dumbest.

It's not mandatory to tip at all, although it is a generally shitty thing to do without a pretty good reason. But the level of entitled asshole commentary from some of this crowd is pretty ridiculous.