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[Mother Grabber]

4 hours ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

Jesus Christ, yall are still arguing about this??

I just came in here to see how this could possibly be going on for 22 pages.  :D

[Peppers90 NC]

9 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This is precisely the point I was trying to make. Most people don’t stay around to see all that a waitress does so most people tip according to what they see or how they were treated. Your employer who is there does see and regulate the job you do. He should be the one compensating you for that which I don’t see. That’s the way it works in every other industry. I think the tipping system is dumb basically. 

There is no perfect system, but it is the system so the only real way not to be a part of is it, is not to go out to eat.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This is precisely the point I was trying to make. Most people don’t stay around to see all that a waitress does so most people tip according to what they see or how they were treated. Your employer who is there does see and regulate the job you do. He should be the one compensating you for that which I don’t see. That’s the way it works in every other industry. I think the tipping system is dumb basically. 

So, you choose to punish the individual just trying to make a living because you think the system is dumb?

 

[SmootsDaddy89]

8 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

This is precisely the point I was trying to make. Most people don’t stay around to see all that a waitress does so most people tip according to what they see or how they were treated. Your employer who is there does see and regulate the job you do. He should be the one compensating you for that which I don’t see. That’s the way it works in every other industry. I think the tipping system is dumb basically. 

If you don't like the tipping system, don't go out to eat at those places. The owner of these restaurants makes the same amount off your meal whether you tip your server or not, so you aren't giving the ownership any incentive to change business practices if you continue to eat there. In fact, the whole reason the tipping system exists is because cheaper food incentives people to go out to eat. So if you think the system is dumb and still go out to these places, you're part of the problem. The only way the system changes is if people intentionally go out to eat at establishments where the servers are paid an actual wage and the food is more expensive as a result, and avoid the cheaper ones that don't pay their servers. 

[micnificent28]

26 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

There is no perfect system, but it is the system so the only real way not to be a part of is it, is not to go out to eat.

Slavery was a part of the system as well.. complacency is the the same as compliance. 

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So, you choose to punish the individual just trying to make a living because you think the system is dumb?

 

I’m not punishing anyone I’m just discussing how unfair it is both ways, everyone is just trying to make a living. Even those cheap bad tippers you  think don’t deserve a decent meal. Some people are just aholes and some people just don’t have that 20% extra to spend that I see floating around here. I am just discussing but how bad the tipping system is. If you have such a problem with it as your complaining about people who take advantage of a bad system you should take it up with your congressman?? 

[micnificent28]

25 minutes ago, SmootsDaddy89 said:

If you don't like the tipping system, don't go out to eat at those places. The owner of these restaurants makes the same amount off your meal whether you tip your server or not, so you aren't giving the ownership any incentive to change business practices if you continue to eat there. In fact, the whole reason the tipping system exists is because cheaper food incentives people to go out to eat. So if you think the system is dumb and still go out to these places, you're part of the problem. The only way the system changes is if people intentionally go out to eat at establishments where the servers are paid an actual wage and the food is more expensive as a result, and avoid the cheaper ones that don't pay their servers. 

Yeah I prefer the last thing you said. But a little less classification sounding. Pay a straight fee period. No slidding scale.

[LinvilleGorge]

28 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Slavery was a part of the system as well.. complacency is the the same as compliance. 

I’m not punishing anyone I’m just discussing how unfair it is both ways, everyone is just trying to make a living. Even those cheap bad tippers you  think don’t deserve a decent meal. Some people are just aholes and some people just don’t have that 20% extra to spend that I see floating around here. I am just discussing but how bad the tipping system is. If you have such a problem with it as your complaining about people who take advantage of a bad system you should take it up with your congressman?? 

The valid point others have tried to point out to you is that if you don't have that extra 20%, then you shouldn't be eating out anyway. If you don't have that extra 20%, then you weren't planning on tipping anyway so don't try to then blame it on "bad service". 

I have no idea what that last sentence is supposed to convey, but somewhere your English teacher is crying herself to sleep over that one.

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The valid point others have tried to point out to you is that if you don't have that extra 20%, then you shouldn't be eating out anyway. If you don't have that extra 20%, then you weren't planning on tipping anyway so don't try to then blame it on "bad service". 

I have no idea what that last sentence is supposed to convey, but somewhere your English teacher is crying herself to sleep over that one.

Maybe your parents should be crying to sleep as well for not endowing their some with common sense? You should get the meaning in something’s even if it isn’t spelled out or punctuated correctly. Secondly, I never said I don’t tip or blame anything on bad service and only an elitist ahole assumes what others can afford or should or shouldn’t be doing based of their own wallet. Some posters who actually be work in the field have said they expect 10% but here you say 20%, what if I said 3%? 

The point is the system is based of whatever the customer thinks and that isn’t subjective and doesn’t help the waitress or waiter either. Need to be fixed and isn’t fair to anyone, raise the prices do whatever but leaving it up to the customer who may or maybe not be generious is stupid. Fix it.

[Moo Daeng]

Who cares anymore? Some people are cheap and feel entitled to get services for less than others just because. Others know how to more responsibly spend as not to need to act like that. Let's move on .

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

Maybe your parents should be crying to sleep as well for not endowing their some with common sense? You should get the meaning in something’s even if it isn’t spelled out or punctuated correctly. Secondly, I never said I don’t tip or blame anything on bad service and only an elitist ahole assumes what others can afford or should or shouldn’t be doing based of their own wallet. Some posters who actually be work in the field have said they expect 10% but here you say 20%, what if I said 3%? 

The point is the system is based of whatever the customer thinks and that isn’t subjective and doesn’t help the waitress or waiter either. Need to be fixed and isn’t fair to anyone, raise the prices do whatever but leaving it up to the customer who may or maybe not be generious is stupid. Fix it.

My god, the English language is taking a beating.

[micnificent28]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My god, the English language is taking a beating.

So is common decency, want to call it even?

[Peppers90 NC]

6 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

So is common decency, want to call it even?

not if youre still tipping at 10% no matter how bad the "system" infuriates you.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Peppers90 NC said:

not if youre still tipping at 10% no matter how bad the "system" infuriates you.

This thread has convinced me that guy has an IQ hovering around room temperature. The abandonment of logic it requires to talk about "common decency" while using mental gymnastics to justify stiffing waitstaff is nothing short of astounding.

[Still Brooklyn]

"Stiffing" waitstaff would mean you were required to do so.