Donte Jackson just stepped in poo

[micnificent28]

On 7/9/2018 at 12:37 PM, CRA said:

I hate bad tippers.  Can't stand them.  There are a lot of them.  They shouldn't go out to eat. 

I do believe you can low tip for legit crappy service but I don't feel you can just leave a crap tip with nothing said.  If service is so bad I would want to leave a joke tip.....I'm gonna ask for a manager before I leave it and leave no doubt of why it had to be done.  No server is going to be left wondering "what happened" and why they got stiffed. 

I also wouldn't low tip because someone was "new" and just was struggling.  I chalk those experiences up to the risk of going out.   You can tell who is tries and is lost, who is in the weeds and generally when the fault isn't even on the server for slow server.   You can also tell when someone just doesn't care about servicing a table properly. 

This is the most privileged post I have ever seen. Who's to say some college kid is struggling to get by doesn't deserve a decent meal because he can't pay 20% more or whatever you think is respectable for a waiter or waitresses services. At the end of the day you signed up and agreed to work a job. Cam can't say If you can't hit me cleanly every time then don't play in the NFL. It's the nature of the beast and you have to take it how it comes. You can't pick and choose what tips you get back some people aren't gonna tip you at all that's just the way it is and will always be. There will be good and bad days and I can't imagine the owner of said establishment saying" your money is no good here if you don't have an extra 20%"

[micnificent28]

On 7/9/2018 at 7:57 AM, 4Corners said:

Lame. I worked in a bar/restaurant through college; unfortunately,  he is not helping the stereotype regarding African Americans and tipping. 

Don’t believe me? Ask someone who has worked in the service industry. 

I find this whole post racist and offensive. The fact that you would even peddle this poo in here and subject a whole race to scrutiny over something you heard in the bathroom stalls is poor on your part. One horror story does not make a whole people anything just like you wouldn't post tips like these by other African Americans (Jay-Z)

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/jay-z-spent-80000-at-a-bar-and-left-an-11000-tip.html

[CRA]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

This is the most privileged post I have ever seen. Who's to say some college kid is struggling to get by doesn't deserve a decent meal because he can't pay 20% more or whatever you think is respectable for a waiter or waitresses services. At the end of the day you signed up and agreed to work a job. Cam can't say If you can't hit me cleanly every time then don't play in the NFL. It's the nature of the beast and you have to take it how it comes. You can't pick and choose what tips you get back some people aren't gonna tip you at all that's just the way it is and will always be. There will be good and bad days and I can't imagine the owner of said establishment saying" your money is no good here if you don't have an extra 20%"

Privilege my butt. 

If you can’t afford to tip....then you don’t need to go out to eat.   Simple and plain.  That ain’t privilege bro. That poor college kid needs to go get some ramen noodles then like I did.   Often that waiter working off those tips is a poor college student or other person working their hump off to service others. 

[SmootsDaddy89]

Lmao when I was in college and couldn't afford to tip I couldn't afford to eat out PERIOD. I ate ramen so much I puke if I even look at it now.

 

People who go out to eat and don't tip simply don't WANT to tip. If money is THAT much of an issue you wouldn't be going out to eat regardless.

[Floppin]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

This is the most privileged post I have ever seen. Who's to say some college kid is struggling to get by doesn't deserve a decent meal because he can't pay 20% more or whatever you think is respectable for a waiter or waitresses services. At the end of the day you signed up and agreed to work a job. Cam can't say If you can't hit me cleanly every time then don't play in the NFL. It's the nature of the beast and you have to take it how it comes. You can't pick and choose what tips you get back some people aren't gonna tip you at all that's just the way it is and will always be. There will be good and bad days and I can't imagine the owner of said establishment saying" your money is no good here if you don't have an extra 20%"

Like it or not, in the US tipping is part of eating out. When you choose to dine in a place with table service you are effectively hiring a server to serve you. Now you can argue over how much you feel like a server deserves for this service but you can't just opt out of the whole thing (unless the server did literally nothing)unless you want to be a total *****. 

Dont be a total *****. Poor college kid or not, take you ass to McDonalds.

[Lumps]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

You are assuming he gives a poo about the backlash from this. I don't think public shaming will necessarily change his habits. Most bad tippers are probably pretty consistent. 

As someone with a lot experience in service and bar tending the issue comes down to two things: culture and definition of service.

Culture means how someone was brought up, their own experience in the industry all the way to race, which is relevant. There is a stereotype of African Americans and it’s for a reason. Many tip an amount based on the premise hey look everyone would want $20, right? Sure...but on a $300.00 meal that took hours of work? No. No one gets rich waiting tables but the average pay after hours of good work shouldn’t be minmum wage. 

Secondly, people don’t understand what bad service really is. Poorly cooked and even cold food, slow alcoholic drinks, loud neighboring tables etc etc especially during busy times have very little to do with your designated sever. People don’t understand this at all. People will a lack of knowledge of the food industry often tip based on the experience,  rather than acknowledging the servers individual duties and how they were preformed.

I am reading on this form people are still confused on tipping bar tenders vs. severs. It is not a smaller percent, it is LARGER. Especially if your drinks are made right. Bar tenders get more for obvious reasons, what they’re selling is not only cheaper, a single person will spend much more on food than drinks. Also a bar tender has almost complete control over your service. As someone with experience in both, I’ve found most people know this, but now reading the huddle it baffles me people don’t.

Take out is an exception, if it a a big order they have to put together and everything is right a small tip is the norm. It still takes than $3 an hour person time to put together your 6 person meal. Time that could have spent servicing someone in person that will tip.

As stated in this thread if you have poor service, leave a tip, tell the manager if you want but just don’t go back. That’s the thing about the service industry, they’re not rated on  who tips. They’re rated by repeats and most of all word of mouth. Never going back and driving business away by tell your buddy or group it sucks will weed out shitty service.

[SmootsDaddy89]

"Sorry I didn't leave any tip on this $20 ticket, but I'm a poor college student and I can't afford that extra $4. There's no inconsistency between the two parts of the first sentence."

[acymetric]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I find this whole post racist and offensive. The fact that you would even peddle this poo in here and subject a whole race to scrutiny over something you heard in the bathroom stalls is poor on your part. One horror story does not make a whole people anything just like you wouldn't post tips like these by other African Americans (Jay-Z)

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/jay-z-spent-80000-at-a-bar-and-left-an-11000-tip.html

Jay-Z did not actually leave an $11,100 tip here, it was automatically charged to him.  Of course, I would suspect he was aware there was an automatic 15% gratuity, I'm not trying to bash Jay-Z or anything.  Just saying this tip was not strictly voluntary.

[Floppin]

2 minutes ago, acymetric said:

Jay-Z did not actually leave an $11,100 tip here, it was automatically charged to him.  Of course, I would suspect he was aware there was an automatic 15% gratuity, I'm not trying to bash Jay-Z or anything.  Just saying this tip was not strictly voluntary.

He also owns the company that makes that champagne lol.

[acymetric]

5 minutes ago, Floppin said:

He also owns the company that makes that champagne lol.

Right, I saw that.  Doesn't own the club though selling it back to him though!  In other words, I'm not sure owning the brand would lead the club to serve him for free, although maybe it would, I don't spend a lot of time in clubs like that to know the lay of the land.

[PurityControl]

On 7/9/2018 at 7:42 AM, PantherBrew said:

Problem with the "bad service" argument is that a lot of times the bad service could be a reflection of several variables.  Could be: server is covering another section for someone who called in sick, or the kitchen is fuging up, or anything really.  

Goddamn, some people's tipping mindset is so fuged up.

 

Wished tipping wasn't a thing, and servers got paid like everyone else.  And tipping would only be for extraordinary service.  That said, being a former server myself.  20% is my minimum. I usually go 30-40%.  These are people's livelihoods.  But of course, I realize I am the soft-hearted man. 

Very True!

Being in the restaurant business for 20+yrs at various positions in the kitchen from prep monkey to Exec Chef, I’ve seen and been through it all with servers.

When it comes to your meal being at your table in a timely manner that’s 95% kitchen staff, we can get behind for a hundred different reasons the other 5% is the server needs to hustle and can’t spend too much time being chatty with guests.

Wrong orders, obviously as a cook I would like to say it’s all the servers fault but if I’m being honest it’s 50/50, 

I’ve been on the line and butchered an order and had the Chef send it back down to me before it goes out to the server, I get a tongue lashing from the Chef but I’m paid a salary the server is the one who has to deal with the guests and ultimately pays for our mistake.

Flip side is I’ve had tickets completely FUBAR because the server is not focused, that sets us back because we are getting massive send backs and that ultimately effects the whole restaurant.

IMO I would abolish tipping, pay servers a flat wage like low/middle tier kitchen staff, and if they can’t do their job and they are getting complaints and wrong/slow orders then they are out just like any member of the kitchen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Privilege my butt. 

If you can’t afford to tip....then you don’t need to go out to eat.   Simple and plain.  That ain’t privilege bro. That poor college kid needs to go get some ramen noodles then like I did.   Often that waiter working off those tips is a poor college student or other person working their hump off to service others. 

I wish that poor waiter would tell the rich owner she not gonna accept that kids poor money because his tip sucked.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Floppin said:

Like it or not, in the US tipping is part of eating out. When you choose to dine in a place with table service you are effectively hiring a server to serve you. Now you can argue over how much you feel like a server deserves for this service but you can't just opt out of the whole thing (unless the server did literally nothing)unless you want to be a total *****. 

Dont be a total *****. Poor college kid or not, take you ass to McDonalds.

I would take my ass to where they accepted my money.. again I would love for you to explain to the owner I wouldn’t work his table because he doesn’t tip well. Tipping is an unwritten grey area. Yes it is a part of American society and no you don’t get to say where someone should eat because you thought you deserved more money.

[micnificent28]

 

1 hour ago, Floppin said:

He also owns the company that makes that champagne lol.

Not sure what you want him to drink after former popular alcoholic beverages like cristal have come out and said they don’t want black people drinking their drink. He buys his own and makes it popular.