Donte Jackson just stepped in poo

[coralreefer_1]

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I believe Jackson should have tipped better. And I don't have a problem with the server calling him out. You don't have a constitutional right to not be called out for being an a--hole if you act like one.

That said, a lot of employers see anything that you post on social media relating to your work as representing them. In such cases, they're not big fans of being made to look bad.

And yeah, the server comes off as kind of a douche here. Not a good look if you want people to sympathize and take your side.

agreed. I bet that server gets many "tips like this that are under the expected/self inflated guideline. But he got mad because he recognized Jackson as a semi-famous person. 

[4Corners]

1 minute ago, CashNewton22 said:

Well I work in the service industry as a bartender at a high volume club and that’s just a dumb stereotype to have. I get crappy tips from young white kids and 100% plus tips from black guys and vice versa on the regular. You continuing to bring up this crap of a stereotype only helps perpetuate it. Fail of a post.

These are your own, personal experiences. No where did I say that I believe the stereotype. But I do have 5-6 years of service industry experience under my belt. Grow up. 

[coralreefer_1]

16 hours ago, thefuzz said:

20% is standard in this country.  25% or more is not unheard of, and is more typical than you might imagine.

You are 100% wrong on this, and you are punishing the sever..not the restaurant owners, managers, or the people who make the "rules" for this system.

It all works, if everyone does what they are supposed to do.  Want bad service?  Pay servers $8 per hour and see what you get.  It won't be a clean cut, well dressed, attentive server...it will be a long ways from that I guarantee you.

I don't know you at all, but I would gather that you are much older than many on this board, and don't eat at nice restaurants often if this is your line of thinking.

Who did i punish? there is no "standard" unless it is a "law". People tip what they want to tip. Who made the " standard" as you call it? You are right however at one thing. I am older than many, and that means I have FAR more discretionary income to eat at FINE establishments. Where you confused age with being poor i'll never understand~

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

20% is standard in this country.  25% or more is not unheard of, and is more typical than you might imagine.

You are 100% wrong on this, and you are punishing the sever..not the restaurant owners, managers, or the people who make the "rules" for this system.

It all works, if everyone does what they are supposed to do.  Want bad service?  Pay servers $8 per hour and see what you get.  It won't be a clean cut, well dressed, attentive server...it will be a long ways from that I guarantee you.

I don't know you at all, but I would gather that you are much older than many on this board, and don't eat at nice restaurants often if this is your line of thinking.

The service in Canada was as a general rule not nearly as good as it is here(at least in my experience) and they have a $12-13/hr minimum wage. I did find that interesting. I guess if there is one benefit to the customer of the tipping system is that it does create an incentive to hustle. 

Still don't like the system and still don't believe in an informal "mandatory" tip for legitimately bad service from a server.  

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, coralreefer_1 said:

Who did i punish? there is no "standard" unless it is a "law". People tip what they want to tip. Who made the " standard" as you call it? You are right however at one thing. I am older than many, and that means I have FAR more discretionary income to eat at FINE establishments. Where you confused age with being poor i'll never understand~

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+standerd+tip+amount+in+america&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS739US740&oq=what+is+the+standerd+tip+amount+in+america&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.10998j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Well...I just typed in "what is the standard tip amount in America".......

 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

20% is standard in this country.  25% or more is not unheard of, and is more typical than you might imagine.

You are 100% wrong on this, and you are punishing the sever..not the restaurant owners, managers, or the people who make the "rules" for this system.

It all works, if everyone does what they are supposed to do.  Want bad service?  Pay servers $8 per hour and see what you get.  It won't be a clean cut, well dressed, attentive server...it will be a long ways from that I guarantee you.

I don't know you at all, but I would gather that you are much older than many on this board, and don't eat at nice restaurants often if this is your line of thinking.

Back when I was younger and single, I went - on the advice of two female friends, oddly enough - to a haircut place with hot, scantily clad female workers (the name of the place escapes me).

The girls there were definitely gorgeous, and the outfits we're... interesting. And the haircut I got was...not so good.

Now, to be fair, I might have just gotten their worst haircutter or she may have been new or whatever, but I didn't go back. Wasn't worth it.

[coralreefer_1]

15 hours ago, thefuzz said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+standerd+tip+amount+in+america&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS739US740&oq=what+is+the+standerd+tip+amount+in+america&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.10998j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Well...I just typed in "what is the standard tip amount in America".......

 

lol man. Are you that much controlled by the internet? Or that thick to believe that there is some invisible "standard" that we all have to abide by? I guess the "standard" American male is 5'10''. Anything less than they we should all die? Ohh by the way, the "standard" US bank savings is 5,200. Do i need to link that for you..or can you see that what is "standard" does not mean importance? 

 

People tip what they want. The end. 

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, coralreefer_1 said:

Who did i punish? there is no "standard" unless it is a "law". People tip what they want to tip. Who made the " standard" as you call it? You are right however at one thing. I am older than many, and that means I have FAR more discretionary income to eat at FINE establishments. Where you confused age with being poor i'll never understand~

To address your questions a little better in this post.

I didn't equate poor and older, I equated old....and likely southern to your very wrong notions about tipping bartenders and wait staff.  My grand father, and Father both had your mindset, and would often leave a couple 1's or a 5 if it was a big bill.  That's as embarrassing as it gets, and now my father understands...he tips a minimum of 20% now.

Want to know why he changed his tune...he finally, in his late 50's started bartending at a restaurant as a weekend "fun job"....that changed him awfully fast.

If you have all that discretionary money, why not do the right thing and at the very least tip what is usually considered the "minimum" in 15%?

I would also like to hear what "fine establishments" you have recently dined at, and thought that leaving an 8% tip was OK? 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

To address your questions a little better in this post.

I didn't equate poor and older, I equated old....and likely southern to your very wrong notions about tipping bartenders and wait staff.  My grand father, and Father both had your mindset, and would often leave a couple 1's or a 5 if it was a big bill.  That's as embarrassing as it gets, and now my father understands...he tips a minimum of 20% now.

Want to know why he changed his tune...he finally, in his late 50's started bartending at a restaurant as a weekend "fun job"....that changed him awfully fast.

If you have all that discretionary money, why not do the right thing and at the very least tip what is usually considered the "minimum" in 15%?

I would also like to hear what "fine establishments" you have recently dined at, and thought that leaving an 8% tip was OK? 

But you are equating bad tipping as a general rule versus bad tipping for bad service. Those are two different things.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, coralreefer_1 said:

lol man. Are you that much controlled by the internet? Or that thick to believe that there is some invisible "standard" that we all have to abide by? I guess the "standard" American male is 5'10''. Anything less than they we should all die? Ohh by the way, the "standard" US bank savings is 5,200. Do i need to link that for you..or can you see that what is "standard" does not mean importance? 

 

People tip what they want. The end. 

Nope..you stated that there is no standard...I asked Google to see if there was in fact a standard...you know what it said?  Yes...there is....15-20% in the US.

And no, I'm not controlled by the internet...I'm controlled by my history of both working in the service industry, and owning a restaurant.  Thank you though.

[coralreefer_1]

16 hours ago, thefuzz said:

To address your questions a little better in this post.

I didn't equate poor and older, I equated old....and likely southern to your very wrong notions about tipping bartenders and wait staff.  My grand father, and Father both had your mindset, and would often leave a couple 1's or a 5 if it was a big bill.  That's as embarrassing as it gets, and now my father understands...he tips a minimum of 20% now.

Want to know why he changed his tune...he finally, in his late 50's started bartending at a restaurant as a weekend "fun job"....that changed him awfully fast.

If you have all that discretionary money, why not do the right thing and at the very least tip what is usually considered the "minimum" in 15%?

I would also like to hear what "fine establishments" you have recently dined at, and thought that leaving an 8% tip was OK? 

ahh geez. ok bro. let me break you down point by point since you want the argument so badly. 

I am 41. That is not OLD. I can still do backflips ~

I am southern..yes. born and raised in Raleigh. Been in Korea 14 years. 

Where you had the idea i refuse to tip i dont know. I never said anything of the sort. I said Most wait staff are lucky to even see 10%. Now you may not believe this, but MOST waiust staff in the US are not at fine dining establishments. Most are not even at low end chains like Chilis or TGIF. As a former manager of a low end pizza restaurant, MOST waitress do'n't even get close to 20% unless either A: They are hot. B: they are returning customers that request the same server.

 

Again I said nothing about what I personally tip.  If you are curious about what "fine" establishments I dine at, I invite you to get on a plane and dine with me here in South Korea. I will personally buy your dinner where beef runs about 80USD per pound. And guess what?? No tip required~ 

 

 

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But you are equating bad tipping as a general rule versus bad tipping for bad service. Those are two different things.

Older, Southern, Rural folks tend to tip pretty poorly no matter the level of service...it's just "always been that way".

 

For me...and most that have ever worked in a restaurant, bar, club, etc...the minimum is 20%.  If the service is bad, you still get the 20%, but you will no longer get my business.  I will typically give a restaurant a 2nd chance though...bad again, and I will never step foot back in there.

[ChibCU]

22 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If I want to ogle scantily clad women, I know where strip clubs are.

I know where the websites are... free and from the comfort of the home.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

And no, I'm not controlled by the internet...I'm controlled by my history of both working in the service industry, and owning a restaurant.  Thank you though.

Sooooo...free lunch?