Game of Thrones - Season 8

[djp14]

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"I’ve been so slow with these books," Martin told Rolling Stone. "The major points of the ending will be things I told [Benioff and Weiss] five or six years ago. But there may also be changes, and there’ll be a lot added."

Note that GRRM says "will be", and not "might be".

[Proudiddy]

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

well I'll need to listen to more.   From my understand GRRM shared his vision.  But that doesn't mean they ran w/ it. 

my interpretation of it all has been the following.  

D&D said they didn't feel right about having it be Jon taking down the WW.  So they had planned from early on to have it be Arya instead.  Their big surprise.   I think they felt Snow was too predictable for their version and it was good opportunity for them to do something different. 

GRRM then broke down about how folks on TV will figure out the audience has picked up on the clues and foreshadowing and they often figure out what will happen.  He then talks about how TV folks than think that means they need to go change what some have figured out for shock/surprise.  Then goes into great detail about how doing that essentially fugs up the entire story you jus told.  Because those clues were intentionally dropped.  The story was told so some would figure out what will happen. 

I think GRRM has a different end game.  He shared his.   TV show was gonna do their own thing.  Even look at Cersei dying.  I think that is just a TV version and not a shared ending.  Maggie's prophecy on the TV show never mentioned her dying at the hands of her brother.  I think the reason they intentional left that out is because they were going to do their own ending.  

Will be interesting to hear more folks talk when this is over.  Especially GRRM. 

 

20 minutes ago, djp14 said:

Note that GRRM says "will be", and not "might be".

That was the quote I had read and was referring to...  GRRM said the big beats would be there, so I was referring to everything that happened in E5 that people were mad about was actually part of GRRM's plan he shared with D&D...  now, who knows if GRRM changes the coming books now, or if D&D's actual ending in the finale deviates from GRRM's intended ending?  But, to this point, it appears for the most part they've portrayed what he imagined...

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As u/sam1405 put in a post:

"That was it. That was the scouring of the shire that GRRM intended to end with. Some of it didn't make complete sense because the way we got there was very different to how the books will get there, but that was GRRM's ending for sure. Although he will likely change it now (that's assuming he ever finishes the books).

 

The Northmen who we assumed as the good guys are rapists. The unsullied who we assumed are the liberators kill unarmed people. Danerys who we assumed would be free of the curse of Targaryen genes is a mad queen. Cleganebowl results in Sandor dying by (a fall into) fire, his worst fear. GRRM wasn't subverting our expectations like D&D tried to in the rest of season 8, but he did want to twist a knife into our guts with a cruel reminder that in the world of ice and fire, there are no good guys and bad guys.

 

Episode 5 may be inconsistent with the rest of season 8, but that's because the show writers didn't follow all the steps in getting there. But as a book reader I'm convinced that generally speaking that was how George wanted this story to end. GRRM himself stated the show's ending will be pretty damn similar to his own based on everything he told D&D."

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As soon as it became clear that the show was going to pass the books Martin shared his intended ending with Benioff and Weiss.

In a recent interview with Rolling Stone, Martin said that while he didn't read any scripts, or see any advance screenings of Thrones episodes, he did have meetings with the showrunner pair where they had "discussed stuff."

 

He said that he expected to be surprised by the ending—somewhat.

 

"Well, to a degree. I mean, I think … the major points of the ending will be things that I told them, you know, five or six years ago," he said. "But there may also be changes, and there’ll be a lot added."

 

 

 

[countryboi]

5 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Really insightful thread where a guy explains why we all may feel some sense of dissatisfaction with S8.  The guy seems to have hit the nail on the head:

 

TLDR...its GRRM fault

[Burnout189]

One of my gripes with this episode is what happens with the Golden Company. These guys are supposed to be a badass mercenary unit of former knights and such who have been built up over several seasons, and could have had a really good battle piece between them and Dany's forces but instead the writers just wipe them out with the dang dragon, it just seemed like another piece of lazy writing to me.

[PurityControl]

1 hour ago, Burnout189 said:

One of my gripes with this episode is what happens with the Golden Company. These guys are supposed to be a badass mercenary unit of former knights and such who have been built up over several seasons, and could have had a really good battle piece between them and Dany's forces but instead the writers just wipe them out with the dang dragon, it just seemed like another piece of lazy writing to me.

The Power Of Air Supremacy.

[Rubi]

4 hours ago, Burnout189 said:

One of my gripes with this episode is what happens with the Golden Company. These guys are supposed to be a badass mercenary unit of former knights and such who have been built up over several seasons, and could have had a really good battle piece between them and Dany's forces but instead the writers just wipe them out with the dang dragon, it just seemed like another piece of lazy writing to me.

Drogon > all

[jasonluckydog]

I just read that the ending will be Jon, Arya, Sansa and Tyrion will be arrested and sitting in jail for failing to help stop a lady whose horse was being stolen instead of helping the poor lady they made jokes about her weight. The good samaritan law is serious.

[stankowalski]

This episode was awesome.  Clegane bowl did not disappoint me.  Dany going all mad queen did not surprise me either but it was something to see.  I'm sure the final book will probably be better only because it would provide more context and in depth stuff, but for TV this was awesome IMO.

[Davidson Deac II]

10 hours ago, jasonluckydog said:

I just read that the ending will be Jon, Arya, Sansa and Tyrion will be arrested and sitting in jail for failing to help stop a lady whose horse was being stolen instead of helping the poor lady they made jokes about her weight. The good samaritan law is serious.

After they are forced to land at the Veil while Drogon is flying them north to visit the dreadfort?   

[Davidson Deac II]

I do agree that the season appears to be a bit rushed.  I do think they could have done 10 episodes, with more details about what causes Dani to want to burn them all.  She just does it because they don't "love her".  Seems rather forced.  They could throw in some visits to the twins to free Edmure, a meeting with the new lord of Dorne, Sam taking over at Horn Hill, etc.... Maybe they spent so much on the battles, they couldn't afford to bring all the actors back.  

 

But I still like it better than anything else on TV that doesn't involve the Panthers.  

[d-dave]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

She just does it because they don't "love her"

She didn't turn, Dany has always solved her problems with fire.  She turned "Mad Queen" because she could not get the favor of the people who she sough to free from tyranny.  She was the crazy dragon lady from the East.  Jon was the man of the people, the war hero, who always did the right thing, no matter how stupid it was.  He was basically Ned Stark...  She saw how the Northmen and Wildlings loved Jon, she loved Jon, but when she realized that the people would never love her, they would have to fear her. 

But that was OK so long as she had the love of Jon while on the Throne.  When Jon broke things off because he discovered he was her nephew, that sucked.  At least she still had Messandai, her best friend, and the rest of her court was loyal to her.  She could recover.

Then Varys turned, Tyrion, Jon told his family, Messandai was murdered...well her list of allies and confidants grew decidedly smaller.  Now it's just Grey Worm...who may end up dying by Jon's sword (speculation).  Oh and her DRAGON who loves burning stuff down.  

She gave up and gave into her inner dragon (Woke the Dragon so to speak), who's solution to all problems is to burn them down until there are no problems.

To me, this hasn't been a surprise, but rather the finale of her story.  Thematically, the idea that you can't go home, you can't change the past from the present are powerful and important for the modern consciousness.  When you think about it, very few characters are really looking forward, most are stuck in the past.

And I do agree, best thing on TV right now!

[Darth Biscuit]

I think you're right @d-dave ...  Arya will kill (or try to kill) Dany and Jon will kill Grey Worm when he defends Dany. (Also speculation)

 

[d-dave]

33 minutes ago, Darth Biscuit said:

I think you're right @d-dave ...  Arya will kill (or try to kill) Dany and Jon will kill Grey Worm when he defends Dany. (Also speculation)

 

The only thing that really prevents me from 100% agreeing is the prophecy of the prince who was promised...  I keep wondering if Jon will kill Dany, Grey Worm rushes to defend her, and Arya takes out Grey Worm wearing an unsullied face?

No matter what, Dany dies on Sunday, for sure.

[Dex]

2 minutes ago, d-dave said:

The only thing that really prevents me from 100% agreeing is the prophecy of the prince who was promised...  I keep wondering if Jon will kill Dany, Grey Worm rushes to defend her, and Arya takes out Grey Worm wearing an unsullied face?

No matter what, Dany dies on Sunday, for sure.

Part of me thinks the "Arya using faces" thing is done. D&D shot their load on the Freys. I believe Bran will warg into Drogon and kill Dany or the warging will at least play a part in her death. She'll order Drogon to kill Jon or Sansa and he won't.