Game of Thrones - Season 8

[Inimicus]

2 hours ago, Darth Biscuit said:

Not really sure what this means... most of us haven't said we hated it because it didn't go the "way we wanted".

I personally have zero problem with WHERE they've gone... I have a problem with HOW they got there.

Dragons that one episode are super duper easily shot from the sky from a moving ship, but the very next episode the dragon easily wipes out an entire fleet and castle equipped with the exact same weapons???

That is shitty writing.

 

The same dragon survived all encounters with the scorpions.

 

The fact that its sibling got taken out doesn't mean it was destined to die.

[Darth Biscuit]

2 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

The same dragon survived all encounters with the scorpions.

 

The fact that its sibling got taken out doesn't mean it was destined to die.

It's not about Drogon specifically or Rhaegal.  It's about using Rhaegal's death as such a silly plot device.  They easily shot him (hitting him multiple times) from a distance on a moving ship (while magically not hitting Drogon when he was flying lazily right beside Rhaegal) on E4... then in E5, with many, many more scorpions aimed and ready to fire, Drogon evades them all and essentially wins the battle easily all by himself in like 1 minute.

To me, it was too much of a turnaround between episodes.

 

Again, I'm fine with what went down... and E5 was great...   but looking at E5 in the context of what happened in E4, it didn't make sense to me.

[Moorgan]

5 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

The same dragon survived all encounters with the scorpions.

 

The fact that its sibling got taken out doesn't mean it was destined to die.

That's an interesting take. I'm curious to see how they take out Drogon because that dragon can't survive if the show will end in any kind of peace. Maybe it won't but assuming Dany dies the dragon has to go as well. Does Bran have a hand in that? Does Jon somehow have an effect on it? Not sure how all that plays out.

[Moorgan]

1 minute ago, Darth Biscuit said:

It's not about Drogon specifically or Rhaegal.  It's about using Rhaegal's death as such a silly plot device.  They easily shot him (hitting him multiple times) from a distance on a moving ship (while magically not hitting Drogon when he was flying lazily right beside Rhaegal) on E4... then in E5, with many, many more scorpions aimed and ready to fire, Drogon evades them all and essentially wins the battle easily all by himself in like 1 minute.

To me, it was too much of a turnaround between episodes.

 

Again, I'm fine with what went down... and E5 was great...   but looking at E5 in the context of what happened in E4, it didn't make sense to me.

That's fair. I think the weakness there is in Ep 4. They made Rhaegal (I thought it was Rhaegar but you're right) go down too easily. Maybe this is the bad writing you guys are talking about but it still seems minor to me. I still have problems with Jaimie and Bronn jumping into that river after the first dragon attack but this seems like more of the same. And not overall bad writing about the characters. If that makes sense.

[Darth Biscuit]

16 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

That's fair. I think the weakness there is in Ep 4. They made Rhaegal (I thought it was Rhaegar but you're right) go down too easily. Maybe this is the bad writing you guys are talking about but it still seems minor to me. I still have problems with Jaimie and Bronn jumping into that river after the first dragon attack but this seems like more of the same. And not overall bad writing about the characters. If that makes sense.

Rhaegar was Jon Snow's father and Dany's brother, right?

Yeah I mean Dany going mad queen was coming, not surprising and I don't mind it, but how they got there felt rushed to me. 

 

[natty]

1 hour ago, Moorgan said:

Maybe that's the difference. They've been telling her story about becoming the heel for years. I don't know what you thought of her 3 episodes ago but I always thought she was turning heel. Not because I'm smart but because she's always threatening burning everyone since season 2. She actually does it quite often. She wasn't mother Theresa and became Satan 2 episodes ago. They've been telling her story of falling from potential since the beginning. I don't see any dramatic shift in her character in the last 2 episodes. Traumatic events happened in the last 2 episodes (dragon dying, friend dying, armies getting decimated, lost Jon, lost claim to the throne, all of her advisors and lover have betrayed her). Yeah that's a lot to go through but those are just the final catalysts for what has always been coming and they've been telling that story for years.

And what about Jaimie's story is horribly written? You said it. She's the drug he can't quit. What is so bad about his story that you understand it but don't like how it was done? How does it get done better? No. Not better. How is it that it is told so that it's horrible? I just think that everyone is overly harsh because it's ending and we're all emotional. He went back to Cersei time after time saying he can't quit her. He tries one last hand at having a normal life and fails and goes back to the drug. How is that horrible writing?

I'm not prepared to call the show the GOAT but I feel like it's getting an unfair amount of criticism. That's all I'm saying.

She's made a few comments about burning cities to the ground.  But she also freed a bunch of slaves, took Yunkai specifically to free innocent slaves, she chained up her dragons because Drogon killed an innocent girl.  Her entire character is about making a better world.  "I'm not here to become queen of the ashes."  She tells the captured Lannister soldiers after the loot train - I'm not here to burn down your cities.  Hell Cersei even says she's bringing more people into the red keep to serve as a meat shield.  Dany didn't even go right for the keep, she just started blazing the streets. 

I like the fact that she went all fire and blood.  That's what I wanted from her all along.   But they did a piss poor job of telling that story.  This season hasn't even been a story, it's just a series of events. 

This show started as something that threw typical hollywood tropes out the window and now it has become chock full of them.  It's beyond disappointing.  

[YoungPanthers89]

Cersei died via debris  

[natty]

Cersei this season:

 

[Ja Rhule]

[Davidson Deac II]

4 hours ago, Darth Biscuit said:

It's not about Drogon specifically or Rhaegal.  It's about using Rhaegal's death as such a silly plot device.  They easily shot him (hitting him multiple times) from a distance on a moving ship (while magically not hitting Drogon when he was flying lazily right beside Rhaegal) on E4... then in E5, with many, many more scorpions aimed and ready to fire, Drogon evades them all and essentially wins the battle easily all by himself in like 1 minute.

To me, it was too much of a turnaround between episodes.

 

Again, I'm fine with what went down... and E5 was great...   but looking at E5 in the context of what happened in E4, it didn't make sense to me.

That doesn't bother me.  Even in the real world, people learn from their mistakes and adjust their tactics.  Euron caught her offguard at Dragonstone.  In this one, Dani came in low and fast, manuvered a lot, and made them miss.  A lack of agressiveness had been the problem the entire time against the Lannister army.  She finally went full tilt, and won the battle as a result.

 

Fwiw, Tyrion had been an incompetent military advisor.  Had she listened to Lady Olenna, been more agressive and desroyed the gates and got the unsullied inside Kings Landing, Cersei would have been dead last season.  Which of course is not what the writers wanted.

[Cary Kollins]

Not sure if mentioned but I didn’t catch that Varys was trying to poison Dany

 

also way back in season one the old maester mentioned how poison is a weapon used by eunuchs, and then mentioned varys

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1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

Not sure if mentioned but I didn’t catch that Varys was trying to poison Dany

 

also way back in season one the old maester mentioned how poison is a weapon used by eunuchs, and then mentioned varys

They don't have the balls to kill someone with steel......      

 

btw speaking of where does this eunuchs and poison stuff come from? In the Belgariad the eunuch they pick up in Nissara? (too lazy to get the correct info) but yeah that swampy place.  That guy has a thing for poisons as well.  Has this some relation in real life, fantasy in general or is this slightly ripped from  David Eddings?

[Davidson Deac II]

15 hours ago, natty said:

And we literally see the Dothraki get wiped out.  All of em.  They even say in the commentary that we just saw them get wiped out.  Now I guess they respawned and started charging into Kings Landing?

We didn't see them all get wiped out.  We saw a charge by a number of dothraki, with their flaming swords being put out.  We have no idea if that was all of them, or if any of them survived. Or if maybe some dothraki where left somewhere else and not part of the main charge.  You only assumed it was all of them.

[Shocker]

9 hours ago, Cary Kollins said:

Not sure if mentioned but I didn’t catch that Varys was trying to poison Dany

 

also way back in season one the old maester mentioned how poison is a weapon used by eunuchs, and then mentioned varys

Nice catch...totally missed that one.