Game of Thrones - Season 8

[natty]

4 minutes ago, Bronn said:

So who does everything think the best acted/best written character of the series has been/will be?

IMHO I think the Hound should get that title. His arc really was written well, and completed well. Plus Rory McCann did a superb job portraying the character I read in the books.

Arya might be a close second. Tormund is up there too, but he was pretty much comic relief. They kind of messed Bronn up two episodes ago IMHO, but until then he was up there. Jon is okay, I guess, but GD is he annoying af with all his brooding, indecisiveness. Varys stayed true to his goals until the end, I think.

All the actors have been killing it imo.  It's been Emilia's best season by far.  Jaime and Tyrion's final goodbye was excellent.  When given the opportunity the actor's have been crushing it.

I'm a fan of the Vary's being a Blackfyre supporter theory but they abandoned that whole story line.  He's been poorly written for the show.  He supports Dany for multiple seasons and then just flips to Jon?  I understand what they were going for but it wasn't convincing.  

[Bronn]

GD I just found this and it just solidifies The Hound as the GOAT for me. Rory McCann is the man!
https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/13/the-hound-game-of-thrones-cleganebowl/

 

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The 50-year-old Scottish actor, like The Hound, isn’t much of a talker. Many GoT actors are entirely different from the characters they so convincingly portray (Lena Headey, for example, is nothing like Cersei Lannister). Yet McCann is similar to The Hound in rather likable ways. The man is a quiet, gruff outdoorsman who keeps to himself, yet is totally straightforward when he has something to say. “I’m very close to being The Hound,” McCann notes at one point.

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So why have you kept to yourself so much?
It’s an ongoing thing. Before each season, I phone all my friends and tell them I don’t want to speak or have any contact with anyone at all. I make myself lonely before every season, purely because I’m going onto Thrones. I don’t want contact with anyone before starting the job. It’s only been in the past couple years I’ve started to talk to people and go out to pubs and be with the other actors. Before that I was the weirdo who was going back to my room or in the gym. I was doing a scene with [Tormund Giantsbane actor Kristofer Hivju] and he went to hug me as his character and I said, “Don’t touch me.” And I’m so like that home. I’m very close to being The Hound. I’m not used to human touch. I’m a bit of a recluse. Now I’ve made some friends. I’ve started to relax. I’ve learned a lot. It’s been a hell of an education. But now I’m just itching to get the hell away in this boat I’ve been building…

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That sounds fantastic. Where are you going to go?
That’s my f—king business. 

 

Also, LOL about the chicken

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The Mountain [actor Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson] is truly huge. He’s kind of staggering.
I hope he knows his f—king strength. I’m just going to have to go into Glasgow bar fight mode if it goes the wrong way because he’s a big big boy. One time he ordered chicken and they gave him two breasts of chicken and he just looked up and said, “No, a chicken. Not just chicken. A chicken.” Then he’d be eating again a couple hours later. He’s a beast. 

 

[TbTeRRoR]

idk I think Vary's has seen the writing on the wall and when he saw a better option he swapped.  I don't know if they had the room to make that much more convincing without beating you over the head with it.

[Bronn]

4 minutes ago, natty said:

All the actors have been killing it imo.  It's been Emilia's best season by far.  Jaime and Tyrion's final goodbye was excellent.  When given the opportunity the actor's have been crushing it.

I'm a fan of the Vary's being a Blackfyre supporter theory but they abandoned that whole story line.  He's been poorly written for the show.  He supports Dany for multiple seasons and then just flips to Jon?  I understand what they were going for but it wasn't convincing.  

I think Varys just realized how bad it was going to be for the realm if she continued down her path. And, for whatever reason, Varys was hung up on Jon being a man.

[Arroz con Panther]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Cersei might still have a shot.  As she hasn't really be in this season that much.  And she ain't dead. 

I'll be disappointed if she isn't dead. They literally had the entire Red Keep fall on them. If she survived that, I don't know...this season's writing could go down as the worst in history.

[Dex]

8 minutes ago, Bronn said:

I think Varys just realized how bad it was going to be for the realm if she continued down her path. And, for whatever reason, Varys was hung up on Jon being a man.

I wonder what will come of him sending out all of those scrolls with Jon's true lineage.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, Arroz con Panther said:

I'll be disappointed if she isn't dead. They literally had the entire Red Keep fall on them. If she survived that, I don't know...this season's writing could go down as the worst in history.

The buried underneath the rubble routine almost guarantees one of them survives IMO.   Especially when they put it as the very last scene. 

We have no clue actually how much of the building fell on them.   We don't really know anything. 

It is rare when a scene like that actually does kill everyone.   I mean when you watched End Game did you think when Thanos blew the building to poop and it collapsed on everyone that it actually killed anyone? No one thought that got anyone.  

 

[Datawire]

Is it just me or did Varys attempt to possibly poison Dany or something with his "little bird" when the kid came back from the kitchen and said she wont eat.

[Bronn]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

The buried underneath the rubble routine almost guarantees one of them survives IMO.   Especially when they put it as the very last scene. 

We have no clue actually how much of the building fell on them.   We don't really know anything. 

It is rare when a scene like that actually does kill everyone.   I mean when you watched End Game did you think when Thanos blew the building to poop and it collapsed on everyone that it actually killed anyone? No one thought that got anyone.  

 

I think you're in denial. You're giving the writers too much credit. There is only one episode left, and I doubt they give either Cersei or Jaime a magic dumpster, especially just so someone else can kill them.

Using your logic, the Hound has already survived a pretty bad fall when he fought Brienne. Maybe he survived the fall in Cleganebowl?

[Bronn]

2 minutes ago, Datawire said:

Is it just me or did Varys attempt to possibly poison Dany or something with his "little bird" when the kid came back from the kitchen and said she wont eat.

I didn't even think of that, but possibly.

I wonder who all his intended scrolls were for?

[Goondal]

3 hours ago, Bronn said:

The leaks were pretty damned spot on. However, I think overall I was a lot more pleased with everything than I thought I was going to be.

The good:
- Arya. From her goodbye to the Hound (note: If a Stark ever tells you "Thank You," stop what you're about to do and reconsider) to her final scenes with the horse, they really captured the destruction and horror of battle via her perspective.
- Cleganebowl. When the Hound walked up those steps, the vuvuzelas started sounding in my head and I said "GET HYPE!" aloud. It could have been a better battle, and I hate my boy the Hound had to go out in the process, but it was a long time coming. RIP Qyburn. That was brutal af. I'll give them credit for the fan service.
- Bronn surviving, nowhere to be seen, lol.
- Disheveled Dany. She does a good job in her role. I've not been a fan of the character for a while now, so seeing her go full heel was a relief. Jon Snow about to wreck those plans, though!
- The shots of Cersei watching Drogon burn the city were some of the best shots of the whole show IMHO.
- Tyrion and Jaime's bond. It was a touching moment, for sure, but GD Tyrion is dumb af.
- Varys roasting. Like Littlefinger, the spider has had it coming for a long time, even though his aspirations I think are more noble.
- Euron died. He's had it coming for a long time. I'm glad it was Jaime that got him.
- Jon's acting. You really kind of felt for him when they started axing the surrendered soldiers and Dany lost her poo.

The bad:
- Where tf did all those Dothraki and Unsullied come from? LOL
- Cersei's death. She deserved way worse.
- Jaime's character arc. They tanked him, which GRRM might do, too, tbqh. I just hate it because you wanted to love him so much at the end.
- Invincible Drogon. If he was so badass, she should have just burned the city after they lopped off Missandei's head and not retreated.
- Apparently prophecy don't mean poo to D&D and any of it was just red herring at this point.

Only one more episode to go. TBQH they tied up a lot in E5 so E6 is just going to be politics and fallout. I'm not sure what of the leaks are true, but I'm wondering what will become of the Unsullied and the Dothraki post Westerosi World War. Bronn's still got to get that last bit of screen time, and hopefully his castle. Although I don't see Dany or the Starks giving him anything that he was promised by Lannisters.

If you're keeping score, as someone alluded to in a previous post:
Remaining members of major houses:
Stark: 3.5
Targaryen: 1.5
Lannister: 1
Tully: Edmure is still out there somewhere, I suppose.
Arryn: 1 (Robin)
Tyrell: 0
Martell: 0
Baratheon: .5 (legitimized bastard)
Greyjoy: 1

I don't see anymore Starks dying. So, in the end, it looks like the "good guys" win.

According to the leaks, the things we haven't seen yet:

  Spoiler Alert!

One of two reported endings:

A. Tyrion's trial. He's arrested on Dany's command, at which point he throws his hand pin down in disgust. The trial is overseen by Sansa, Bran, Arya, Davos, and a few other people not named Dany or Jon. He is sentenced to death and killed on the spot.

B. A small council is formed after Dany's death, and Bran is "elected" leader after a long speech by Tyrion on his behalf. Bran forms his own council consisting of Davos, Bronn, Tyrion, and Sam. The Unsullied leave for Essos and other cities with the goal of freeing slaves, as that was Dany's plan for them before her death. She lays out such a plan in her victory speech at King's Landing.

Tyrion again tries to convince Jon that he and his family will never be safe if Dany is queen. He'll always be a threat to her legitimacy now.

Jon pledges himself to Dany, but then stabs her. He surrenders himself. (One leak says Drogon witnesses this, and does nothing, but does "scoop Dany up and fly away")

But then, supposedly, Dany's last shot is her making her way to the Iron Throne, and touching it as she collapses and dies.

Jon still being Jon and not wanting to rule, and now distraught over his actions and what he has seen, he returns to the Wall or the far North. Some say he'll rejoin/reform the Night's Watch (not sure why with no WWs and being friendly with Wildlings) or just kind of live in exile. Being a Targaryen, I guess he doesn't really have a place/many fans in the North. So, I could see this happening somehow.

Sansa rules the north, and Arya "leaves."

 

 

Edmure has a son too, correct?  I guess he will be released now and get to rule Riverrun

[Zaximus]

5 minutes ago, Bronn said:

I didn't even think of that, but possibly.

I wonder who all his intended scrolls were for?

I'm guessing all the houses that are still left, so he'd push them to support Jon more and help push Dany out.    But with Varys who knows how far the web goes.     Maybe even to Sansa or Bran.

[Goondal]

1 hour ago, natty said:

It's amazing how such bad writing can be executed so beautifully.   

Every episode has made the previous one worse. 

I'm ok with pretty much all the conclusions, they have just come to them in the worst ways possible.  I've thought for a long time that Dany will go mad queen in the end.  It'd be great juxtaposition with watching Jaime start a villain and redeem himself, to see Dany start the 'good guy' and become the villain.  But ffs you need to write that gracefully, not just lol bells.

Even minor tweaks could have made things much better.  Why ruin Jaime's arc?  Why undo literally all the poo that has been built up with him?  Just have him go back to KL with the intention of killing Cersei("she should die by my hands, not burned by a dragon queen") and then break down when he sees her crying.  Same result, didn't have to kill his character arc.

This is where I am too.  I like most of the endings, but the path they have gone to get to each and the execution has been terrible (outside of Arya, Sansa, and The Hound).

I agree that the Jamie conclusion sucks.

[Goondal]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

So who does everything think the best acted/best written character of the series has been/will be?

IMHO I think the Hound should get that title. His arc really was written well, and completed well. Plus Rory McCann did a superb job portraying the character I read in the books.

Arya might be a close second. Tormund is up there too, but he was pretty much comic relief. They kind of messed Bronn up two episodes ago IMHO, but until then he was up there. Jon is okay, I guess, but GD is he annoying af with all his brooding, indecisiveness. Varys stayed true to his goals until the end, I think.

1-Arya
2-Theon
3-The Hound
4-Sansa
5-Varys