So, I asked Gil Brandt about Norv

[thefuzz]

2 hours ago, rhyslloyd said:

So, it wasn't due to the fact that his offense was 27th, 29th and 28th, respectively, in total offense during his time there?  

Don't quote me on this, but I think it had more to do with shotgun preference vs. under center preference.  I'm thinking that Teddy and AP preferred to run most of the offense in shotgun, and Norv didn't agree with that.

Again, I can't exactly remember why I'm thinking that, but it's in my head for some reason.

If that was the case, I'm curious to see how much Cam will be under center this season.

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Don't quote me on this, but I think it had more to do with shotgun preference vs. under center preference.  I'm thinking that Teddy and AP preferred to run most of the offense in shotgun, and Norv didn't agree with that.

Again, I can't exactly remember why I'm thinking that, but it's in my head for some reason.

If that was the case, I'm curious to see how much Cam will be under center this season.

   Close. His problem was Teddy was much better out of the shotgun and AD hated it. So he was stuck in between and was hurting one or the other no matter what. 

[rhyslloyd]

36 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

It was a terrible fit pairing him with a team built on the WCO forever.

I'm not saying he's perfect or without fault but you need to look at the situation of you are going to judge it.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but we're basically saying he couldn't adapt to work with what he was given.  That was one of the biggest knocks on Shula.

[Snake]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

As a quarterback coach? Yeah, I think so.

I would say otherwise with how inconsistent Cam can be. Not only that but his shoulder surgery proved his mechanics were no better than day one. If Norv can get more consistency out of Cam that would be huge. I don't think you would be able to do much with his mechanics at this point. 

[Woodie]

2 hours ago, rhyslloyd said:

So, it wasn't due to the fact that his offense was 27th, 29th and 28th, respectively, in total offense during his time there?  

No, Norv and Zimmer had completely different ideas about how they wanted the offense run, this is primarily the reason Norv left mid-season.  That, along with the fact he also didn't have the proper pieces to run his offense were the biggest reasons for the low offensive rating.  Well, injuries at QB also didn't help. 

Minn. was built to be a west coast offense, which does not fit within Norv's scheme at all.  AP was a great RB, but he was polar opposite of what Norv needs to run his offense.  Norv is all about spreading the ball around and having his RB heavily involved in the passing game.  Both of which go directly against what AP wants and does.  AP was fairly bad in the passing game, both as a blocker and receiver...it's why I knew he wouldn't fit in NO last year.  

To be honest, Norv's biggest mistake was probably taking that job in the first place.  He tried to make it work, but if you don't have the right parts, the offense is just going to sputter.  Think of it like if you own a Lamborghini, but tried to fix the engine using Toyota parts.  No matter how you tweak things, it's just not going to work.  So saying he wasn't able to adjust isn't fair either.  It wasn't adjusting that needed to take place, it was a complete overhaul of his entire offensive philosophy that would have had to change to make it work for him in Minny.

We, on the other hand, have pretty much everything Norv wants in his offense and fit his scheme like a glove.  That's why people re excited. 

[usmcpanthers]

8 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

If he had a good game plan by halftime other teams would adjust and he would crawl into a hole like Coach Klein in Waterboy.   How many games did we have a great lead in 2015 only to see it disappear and Cam saved our ass?   

If he didn't have a good game plan he had zero halftime adjustment.  NONE.

Someone post that gif of Cam nodding his head after the Colts came back on us.  Epic Cam and why we continually won games by the skin of our ass in 2015.

Turner is a smart man and not only knows how to run an offense but he also knows how to adjust when other teams figure out his initial game plan.   Coaching is gamesmanship.  Shula has no gamesmanship.  Turner does.

The Coach Klein Reference is perfect...you lost your manhood coach lol

[RumHam]

Shula would ball out 1-3 times a year. Basically a gameplan that was unpredictable. Last year the Patriots game stuck out. Our offense looked different and we all thought we were going to see a change. NOPE.

[mc52beast]

You can probably bet your life savings that on 3rd and long Norv won’t be calling a run up the middle

[thefuzz]

46 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

You can probably bet your life savings that on 3rd and long Norv won’t be calling a run up the middle

Screen pass to CMC....

[Johnny Rockets]

It's interesting to read through the comments in this thread considering that biggest gripe Minnesota fans had with Norv (and they hated him) were:

1. His inability to make in game adjustments. 

2. Lack of creativity on play calling -- very vanilla. 

3. Consistent and predictable runs up the middle. 

4. Long developing plays; 7 step drops. 

It all sounds very familiar, guess we will see, 

[CRA]

what I wouldn't give to see the Panther run a screen play that didn't look like a screen play the literally second the ball was snapped. 

[CRA]

49 minutes ago, Johnny Rockets said:

It's interesting to read through the comments in this thread considering that biggest gripe Minnesota fans had with Norv (and they hated him) were:

1. His inability to make in game adjustments. 

2. Lack of creativity on play calling -- very vanilla. 

3. Consistent and predictable runs up the middle. 

4. Long developing plays; 7 step drops. 

It all sounds very familiar, guess we will see, 

pretty much every team in the NFL has the exact same complaints about coaches to a degree. 

The 7 step drops are gonna be an issue.  We don't have the OT play for it to work here. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, Woodie said:

No, Norv and Zimmer had completely different ideas about how they wanted the offense run, this is primarily the reason Norv left mid-season.  That, along with the fact he also didn't have the proper pieces to run his offense were the biggest reasons for the low offensive rating.  Well, injuries at QB also didn't help. 

Minn. was built to be a west coast offense, which does not fit within Norv's scheme at all.  AP was a great RB, but he was polar opposite of what Norv needs to run his offense.  Norv is all about spreading the ball around and having his RB heavily involved in the passing game.  Both of which go directly against what AP wants and does.  AP was fairly bad in the passing game, both as a blocker and receiver...it's why I knew he wouldn't fit in NO last year.  

To be honest, Norv's biggest mistake was probably taking that job in the first place.  He tried to make it work, but if you don't have the right parts, the offense is just going to sputter.  Think of it like if you own a Lamborghini, but tried to fix the engine using Toyota parts.  No matter how you tweak things, it's just not going to work.  So saying he wasn't able to adjust isn't fair either.  It wasn't adjusting that needed to take place, it was a complete overhaul of his entire offensive philosophy that would have had to change to make it work for him in Minny.

We, on the other hand, have pretty much everything Norv wants in his offense and fit his scheme like a glove.  That's why people re excited. 

I kinda wonder if Turner took the job because he and Zimmer likely have some mutual friends from their respective days in Dallas.

1 hour ago, CRA said:

pretty much every team in the NFL has the exact same complaints about coaches to a degree. 

The 7 step drops are gonna be an issue.  We don't have the OT play for it to work here. 

it's been discussed before, but because Newton has such long strides, when he drops back he goes further then the average QB does on the same number of steps.

It's been suggested that that can be a problem for some linemen.

[thefuzz]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I kinda wonder if Turner took the job because he and Zimmer likely have some mutual friends from their respective days in Dallas.

it's been discussed before, but because Newton has such long strides, when he drops back he goes further then the average QB does on the same number of steps.

It's been suggested that that can be a problem for some linemen.

Was it longer strides, or random drop depths?

It's hard to tell, but Cam seems to hit his back foot at different depths...and often continues to drop instead of climb back up the pocket.  He seems to like to keep it all in front of him if he can....guessing that's an arm strength thing though.

Brees and Brady have to execute their footwork perfectly to hum it in there, Stafford, Newton, and Rodgers are a little more loosey goosey with it.