Steve Smith bullied Cam Newton his rookie season?

[Cat]

10 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

OK. All the people he's helped are for a tax deduction. Got it.

Dude should be behind bars.

lol

Yeah, he should be behind bars, that's what I said. Be reasonable. 

 

[Kevin Greene]

13 minutes ago, Cat said:

lol

Yeah, he should be behind bars, that's what I said. Be reasonable. 

 

Not blindly hating people I've never met is reasonable.

[PanthersBigD]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

TBQH the Panthers' identity has always suffered because they identify as the victim rather than the aggressor.

They could have learned a lot, especially John Fox, about what it took to have a killer instinct and to have the ultimate desire and drive to succeed.

Rather, they wanted to cultivate a passive, family oriented, almost submissive mentality of "it is what it is" or even today's "bad day to have a bad day"

The clashes of Smitty were primarily because of this. It had to be amazingly ad crushingly frustrating to see the obvious problems and nothing being done to fix them. The man WAS the front lines over and over and over, and we never gave him any good reinforcements.

At the end of the day, he rolled with a sub-par QB and supporting cast for years because he had to. I was likely just as pissed as him most of the time, and if you weren't, you were/are part of the problem.

I'm not saying we have to be the Raiders, but this whole "we're a family team that does things morally responsibly and don't have any internal problems, and we hope to compete well each game but if we lose, so be it" mentality should have already been exposed as a fraud to everyone now.

Either you want to run your football team like a business, or you're there to compete. In the end, for Smitty anyways, it turned into a business decision, as has been stated. That alone should tell you why we're constantly behind the curve, and even when we get close to greatness it is never enough. We'd rather outright cut HOF players because we can't bring ourselves up to their standards.

The Panthers need more Steve Smith's. Not less.

You can hate him all you want, but he WAS the Panthers for a decade, despite attempts at shining the spotlight on a "feel good QB story" guy who gave us great things, too, yes. But ultimately, it wasn't because of Steve Smith that we weren't competitive in that era. It was on ownership and coaching.

So if you want to hate someone for that decade you'll never get back, grab your pitchforks and gather outside other houses. We could have had several rings by now, but we lack everything that Smitty brought to the table.

Hell, even when Cam wants to get short with the press or show anger and frustration, some of y'all are quick to want to hate him too.

I'd rather Cam have nearly choked the life out of KB and it made him a better player in the end to see him turn into the complacent, no-drive player that he devolved into before we canned him.
 

We foster the good guy mentality too much, and it has a negative effect overall.

I'm not naïve enough to think we don't need guys like Luke here. But I've seen even him lose his cool enough that I hope he's about to knock out a guy for a missed assignment.

Is it the right thing to do? No. Obviously not. But, nobody here is a sinless saint either.

It's time to weigh the total contents of a person rather than isolated incidents.

It's a game. It's a contact sport, not a combat sport. Steve Smith sucker punched several of his teammates, and broke multiple facial bones. It wasn't like he gave someone a black eye. I don't care how good of an athlete you are, if you can't keep your sh!t together, then you need to go. There are plenty of fiery players on this team who've never had to blindside one of their teammates during practice. It was a lack of leadership, not a lack of aggression that lead to our meandering path as a team. Maybe if Richardson had focused on holding his coaches accountable and taking a hard line with players like Smith rather than judging asses on Jeans Day, we might have a Lombardi right now. 

Sounds  like maybe you'd prefer the XFL. 

[tiger7_88]

11 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

Dude should be behind bars.

If you did on the street what Smith did in football practice, you would have been.

But because he blind-side assaulted multiple PLAYERS in PRACTICE, he can just mumble a disingenuous apology or have his lawyer write a letter pretending its him and everything is OK!

[Cat]

6 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

Not blindly hating people I've never met is reasonable.

You put so many words in my mouths. Geez, I don't hate him. I don't think he belongs in prison. Read the actual words I said and take them for what they are. 

[top dawg]

I am not even trying to be funny, but where were all you hypocritics when 89 was on the field busting his ass to help us get wins? The scorn that is being displayed now, juxtaposed against the relative silence then, makes all of you look like hypocrites. 

He was wrong in some instances and admitted it. He's apologized and obviously struggled to repent of those ways for a while. But he has seemingly turned the corner. It has been years since his abhorrent behavior. 

[tiger7_88]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

He's apologized

Did that make fractured orbital bones heal faster?

I often wonder how much sincerity is contained in the apologies of narcissists anyway... especially narcissists that are prone to violence.

I bet that "apology" had nothing to do with covering his own ass and continuing to collect a paycheck.

[Bronn]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I am not even trying to be funny, but where were all you hypocritics when 89 was on the field busting his ass to help us get wins? The scorn that is being displayed now, juxtaposed against the relative silence then, makes all of you look like hypocrites. 

He was wrong in some instances and admitted it. He's apologized and obviously struggled to repent of those ways for a while. But he has seemingly turned the corner. It has been years since his abhorrent behavior. 

10 years in fact, since the Lucas incident. He even went to jail briefly and was suspended for the Bright stuff.

buh buh but he punched Cam in the face twice!!!! rage rage blood and guts bring your goggles oh I hate him so much abloo abloo abloo

 

The bottom line is that a lot of people can't get over the words "former Panther" when it comes to certain cases... In the case of Pep, some of the same people were running him out of town before he even left originally.

It'll be the same with Cam, unless new ownership changes things. We'll continue to have flashes of greatness or dynasty only to let it just numbly turn into another "it is what it is" or "bad day to have a bad day" or whatever else you want to call it, and Cam will want out too.

[Mvp2014]

23 hours ago, 4Corners said:

Another one of the rumors being passed around and I think it was validated to a degree by former OC Jeff Davidson, was that Smitty wasn’t getting the rock and complained to Davidson and Fox. Davidson shut that poo down and said something smart-assish back to Smitty who then ran to Richardson crying about it. Richardson then threatened to fire Davidson if he ever spoke to smith again. Def seems like a move Old Man Mr Richardson would pull. 

perfect story to explain why Jerry was inept.  Let the little 5'9 psychotic run the franchise

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Did that make fractured orbital bones heal faster?

I often wonder how much sincerity is contained in the apologies of narcissists anyway... especially narcissists that are prone to violence.

I bet that "apology" had nothing to do with covering his own ass and continuing to collect a paycheck.

A decade since his last infraction...but you keep fueling a dead narrative if it makes you feel better. If guys that were directly affected can forgive, that says something about a Huddler that won't.

[Dex]

On 6/18/2018 at 10:56 AM, Cat said:

I love Smith on the field. He was a blast to watch and my all time favorite player. Off the field, I wouldn't speak to the dude. He's an ass hole and I have no difficulty imagining him bullying someone/everyone. Too bad for him he has to be so miserable all the time.

[Cat]

2 hours ago, Dex said:

Dude punches teammates and acts like a prick most of the time. He's got probs. This isn't news. 

He also has a sick stiff arm and kicked ass on the field. 

Both of things can be true.

[Proudiddy]

I've shared my personal encounter with Smitty several times over the years, so I can tell you he is every bit the bully and asshole off the field that you imagine...  but that attitude is what made him great, he just couldn't seem to turn it off.  I will say the interactions I saw him have with children at the Fan Caravan I met him at showed he had a soft spot, but he was extremely abrasive and brooding in almost every other respect when he wasnt under the tent signing autographs, and even some then...

The short of it was, I was 21 at the time, I approached him and asked him if I needed to get back in line to wait for him to sign my team poster, which was part of the event, so it wasnt like I was badgering him in his private life...  i had been in line for several minutes and right when i got to the table they pulled him away to do some PR thing, and i caught him as he was walking back...  with him being my favorite player, i figured it was worth asking as his autograph was the only one I really cared about...   he was the reason I waited in line.  He had a Panthers security guy with him, and I walked next to them as they approached the tent for a good 10 seconds after asking, but it felt like an eternity, because Smitty looked at me, received my question, then proceeded to look through me, with his face scrunched sideways, chest bowed, and fists clenched, as if he was deciding exactly how he was going to murder me and dispose of my corpse...  he continued to stare me down and size me up in silence for all of those excruciating seconds, with no verbal acknowledgment of my question, until finally the security guy couldn't take the tension anymore, shot Smitty a look, then looks back at me and hurriedly said, "yeah man, yeah, you have to get back in line."  Smitty continued to stare me down even as I walked off.  If the security guy wasn't there, I have no doubt in my mind he would've tried to beat my ass.  When I finally got back up to the table, he was extremely short with me and his responses to me were very different than the ones he shared with a fan and his child before me...  it was as though he was still holding a grudge.

All that being said, he was still my favorite Panther until Cam (on the field, obviously), with Pep right up there as well...  but, I had no desire to ever see him in any off field capacity again.  I also lost any desire to ever ask for an autograph, even in a setting like the Caravan, where it was encouraged and part of the festivities.  So, when I hear or see reports like this, it sounds about right...  The story PSC shared from reddit about him making bombing/whistling noises falls into line with my experience...  if he perceives he is in a position of power, and he knows that, he will make you feel like the most insignificant piece of poo possible.  I can feel the awkward tension in the air in that meeting room as he did that and no one wanted to tell him to cut it out...  much like the security guy who didn't know what to do as Smitty stared at me in dead silence, purposely making it tense and awkward.  It didn't matter how big Cam is physically...  Smitty knew he had the power and presence in that dynamic, and he used it to belittle Cam and make himself feel better and more secure.

Love Smitty as a player, but he is a POS person.  Hell, he has even tried to bully Michael Irvin since he's been on NFLN and threatened to "beat his ass" for making fun of his suit...  And no, he wasn't joking...  look it up.

[HeyMsCarter]

He’s an asshole, so it’s believable that he bullied Cam and others. I don’t think it’s on the scale they’re insinuating though. It seemed to me that they had a big brother little brother relationship and Steve gave Cam a hard time one because he’s an asshole with little man syndrome and two, bc Cam was younger and he wanted to push him. Steve had to go though in order for this to be Cam’s team. It’s a fact Steve isn’t the greatest teammate too but yeah, I don’t believe it was on this scale. Surely it can’t be because they speak so highly of each other. I believe Steve was somewhat threatened in the sense that this 21 year old kid was coming to take his shine.