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The Norv difference

ladypanther

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Cary Kollins Experienced

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Gah can the season just get here already. Every time talk of off season additions comes up, I always come back to the lesser talked about addition of Norv Turner, and by default the subtraction of Shula. Take us to the promised land with that Turnermagc.

 

*also, people seem to forget we pick up Dontari Poe. I think he's going to be a beast and actually a big upgrade over Star.

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22 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    How about this? We put him on the Practice Squad. If he gets poached, we know we made a decent pick. If he does not get poached, we know we made a bad pick. Win-win.

Um, I think that scenario is lose-lose!

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On 6/10/2018 at 4:46 PM, pantherphan96 said:

Jimmy Clausen has to be up there for worst QB of all time. Of course he was in a terrible situation but that offense was fuging anemic. He literally played worse than a 44 year old Testaverde did for us.

We don't know this yet.

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On 6/11/2018 at 12:56 PM, Mr. Scot said:

What strikes me reading that article are phrases like this:

"He's detail oriented"

"He demands precision"

"He wants things a certain way"

"I have to adjust what I do"

All of these things are framed as adjustments, which then begs the question, "Was this not true in the past?"

One of the frequently heard whispers about our staff has been that they're like the parent who wants to be their child's best friend (this includes Rivera).

Doesn't sound like Turner fits that mold. 

Always felt that way to me.

I'm curious to see if they are going to change Cam's drops and push him to climb the pocket a bit more?  Could be really really fun.

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1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I’d say we’re about even. Depends on Moton winning the LG spot. If Ron does something dumb and leaves Amini there then we’re worse. I think Matt will be better and Ryan seemingly healthy is better. Right side is the same and LG with Moton is the same run blocking (liked what I saw from him in jumbo blocking like Stewart’s long TD), but pass blocking will be worse. How much worse, not sure, but I think we should be OK. If Cam gets the ball out quickly and the running game shows up (people forget how bad it was early) the OL will be more than good enough. Honestly, if Ryan is truly healthy, the run game could be really solid with Moton. 

I believe you guys are over reacting to the guard spot.

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10 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I believe you guys are over reacting to the guard spot.

Maybe.  I'm not sure you're reacting at all.  On paper last year, Ryan was on the roster and he played in the opener.  So at the same point last year, our o-line was stronger than this year.    

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8 minutes ago, Manther said:

Maybe.  I'm not sure you're reacting at all.  On paper last year, Ryan was on the roster and he played in the opener.  So at the same point last year, our o-line was stronger than this year.    

Not worried what the paper says. 

Patience. 

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37 minutes ago, Manther said:

Maybe.  I'm not sure you're reacting at all.  On paper last year, Ryan was on the roster and he played in the opener.  So at the same point last year, our o-line was stronger than this year.    

At the same point last year we were uncertain about the RT position. We were expecting Moton to be there.

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29 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

At the same point last year we were uncertain about the RT position. We were expecting Moton to be there.

The original plan was to move Oher to RT but that didn't pan...after the draft we decided to let Williams and Moton battle it out.  The preseason depth chart had Williams at RT...which is where we are now.  We have last year's line... sans Norwell.  

Preseaon rank description:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-line-units-heading-into-the-2017-season

12. CAROLINA PANTHERS
The interior of the Panthers line is solid, but the tackle position is still a concern. They spent big money this offseason on Matt Kalil, who has graded out below-average every single season since a successful rookie campaign. Injuries have played a part there, but there is no guarantee he regains that form. The wild card here could be rookie second-round pick Taylor Moton, who was consistently one of our highest-graded linemen between tackle and guard in college.

post season rank description:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-from-the-2017-nfl-season

10. CAROLINA PANTHERS
Total pressures surrendered: 161
Best player: Andrew Norwell
Combinations used: 15

The Panthers’ offensive line might have been the most unbalanced line in the NFL in 2017 as it had a couple elite standout performances while there were a couple liabilities on that line as well. Left guard Andrew Norwell was in fact the league’s best pass-protecting guard in 2017 as he did not allow a single sack or hit and gave up just 13 total pressures all season. However, on the other side, right guard Trai Turner gave up precisely twice as many pressures while also playing significantly fewer snaps. A similar theme was true for tackles as well since right tackle Daryl Williams performed well in pass protection and run-blocking while free agent acquisition Matt Kalil struggled in both areas although he did play better toward the end of the season. The Panthers however, led the league with an average of 2.89 yards before contact on inside zone runs.

Look I"m not saying the sky is falling.  I'm saying we are a weaker line after the loss of the best 2017 performer and no additions.  Hopefully players step up.  Hopefully Ryan K stays healthy.  Hopefully Matt Kalil  has a better 2018.  But we have spent capital at WR, RB and new OC.  The Oline is the question mark.  It didn't feel like a top 10 line last year.

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