I can’t hate on Lebron for is antics after a loss

[MechaZain]

That being said post game pouting is more trouble than its worth and just gives the media a excuse to revisit your L for even longer.

[DaveThePanther2008]

1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

Pippen’s a Hall of Famer who was in the running for MVP after Jordan left the team and he took Portland to the western conference finals lol.

Lebron didn’t invent the modern super team either. That was Boston with Allen, Pierce, and KG. Raised the same questions and concerns  at the time.

Lebron and Cam are similar in that they both have this incredible knack for inspiring tunnel vision in everyone across the country.

There is a big difference between creating a super team and drafting well.  The core of the Bulls team were drafted players.   BJ Armstrong, Horace Grant, John Paxson and Scott Pippen were all drafted players.  The only veteran was Bill Cartwright and that came via a trade with Charles Oakley.  This trade benefited both teams. 

The second run after Jordan came back from baseball were role players.  Toni Kukoc was drafted. About the closest player listed as a star would have been Dennis Rodman and he clearly wasn't brought in for his points but his defense and rebounding abilities.   The three headed monster at center were cast offs in Wennington, Longley and Klein.   Role players that MJ made good.   Something LBJ can't do.

I disagree on the Boston front.  Pierce was drafted by Boston, Allen came via a trade and KG was winding down his career and Minnesota pretty much let him go.  Far different from LBJ and Boss going to Miami or Durant going to GS. 

LBJ benefited from his departure from Cleveland who draft K. Irving while he was in Miami because they were terrible.  Along with adding Kevin Love, a star,  That was the reason for his winning in Cleveland.  And it can be argued had Draymond Green not been suspended for game 5 of the 2016 Finals we aren't talking 4 in a row for GS.

LBJ will depart to another team in search of good players that he can play with.  He can't be relied on to win a team built around him.  He has to have great players around him to win.

Why it will be and always will be.  Jordan is far better a player than LBJ.

James is a great player and an incredible talent but he cannot be relied on to build a team around.  He has to join an established team to be a champ.

Sorry to break it.   But Comparing Jordan to LBJ is like comparing a BMW to a Pinto.  I find it embarrassing that people still argue a perfect finals record to a guy that has lost far more than he has won.

[Sasquatch]

21 hours ago, Hotsauce said:

 

“Show me a good loser, and I’ll show you a loser”.

 

Vince Lombardi

[Pimpdaddy]

10 hours ago, KillaCamNewton said:

Stop. He played 7 of the last 8 years on a super team. What he did with the Heat would be like Cam and Todd Gurley joining the Falcons to play with Julio

maybe two years in Miami but hes been surrounded by inferior talent most of his career... the real comparison would be Cam going to the Browns and taking them to  the superbowl..

[party_animal]

My issue with LeBron is regarding this narrative of he needs help. Hell, he is the reason he doesn't have more around him. He helped JR and Tristan get paid. He had a lot of input on who that team signed this past year.

[X-Clown]

4 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

There is a big difference between creating a super team and drafting well.  The core of the Bulls team were drafted players.   BJ Armstrong, Horace Grant, John Paxson and Scott Pippen were all drafted players.  The only veteran was Bill Cartwright and that came via a trade with Charles Oakley.  This trade benefited both teams. 

The second run after Jordan came back from baseball were role players.  Toni Kukoc was drafted. About the closest player listed as a star would have been Dennis Rodman and he clearly wasn't brought in for his points but his defense and rebounding abilities.   The three headed monster at center were cast offs in Wennington, Longley and Klein.   Role players that MJ made good.   Something LBJ can't do.

I disagree on the Boston front.  Pierce was drafted by Boston, Allen came via a trade and KG was winding down his career and Minnesota pretty much let him go.  Far different from LBJ and Boss going to Miami or Durant going to GS. 

LBJ benefited from his departure from Cleveland who draft K. Irving while he was in Miami because they were terrible.  Along with adding Kevin Love, a star,  That was the reason for his winning in Cleveland.  And it can be argued had Draymond Green not been suspended for game 5 of the 2016 Finals we aren't talking 4 in a row for GS.

LBJ will depart to another team in search of good players that he can play with.  He can't be relied on to win a team built around him.  He has to have great players around him to win.

Why it will be and always will be.  Jordan is far better a player than LBJ.

James is a great player and an incredible talent but he cannot be relied on to build a team around.  He has to join an established team to be a champ.

Sorry to break it.   But Comparing Jordan to LBJ is like comparing a BMW to a Pinto.  I find it embarrassing that people still argue a perfect finals record to a guy that has lost far more than he has won.

First off, what does Cleveland’s mismanagement before and after LeBron came there have to do with “not being able to build a championship with him”? 

 You just said yourself that cleveland fell apart after he left. They were bad enough that they ended up with the #1 overall pick in three drafts and netted two more top 5 picks. They used one of the #1s to trade wiggins for Love, but managed to take a bust like Anthony Bennett in between. 

As far as Kevin Garnett being on the downside of his career, he was 31, and played for 9 more seasons after the trade to Boston. Allen coming in for a trade is no different than the Cavs trading one of the #1s for Love. 

As for the finals record, what team that Jordan beat in the finals is as good as the Warriors or Spurs? All LBJ is guilty of is losing to dynasties in the finals instead of early in th east (see Jordan against the Celtics and Pistons)

I believe Jordan is the better player, but the mental gymnastics, goal post moving, and trying to rewrite history to make Jordan a completely untouchable deity and make LeBron a bum is comical.

 

[JakeDel5674]

First off, LeBron created the player "super team" thing. The rest were management driven, including Boston. So yes, LeBron CREATED the super team, because it was PLAYER generated, for all you dumb ass LeBron stans. 

Secondly, if we're going to compare the two, it gets really bad quick:

Championships:
Jordan - 6
Lebron - 3

Finals Mvps:
Jordan - 6
Lebron - 3

Mvps:
Jordan - 5
Lebron - 4

Scoring Titles:
Jordan - 10
Lebron - 1

Defensive Player of the Year:
Jordan - 1 
Lebron - 0

Steals Leader:
Jordan - 3
Lebron - 0

All Nba 1st Team:
Jordan - 10
Lebron - 11

All Nba Defensive 1st team:
Jordan - 9
Lebron - 5

Regular Season:
Jordan - 30.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.3 apg, 2.3 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.7 tpg, 50% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 84% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 27.9)
Lebron - 27.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 7.2 asp, 1.6 spg, 0.8 bpg, 3.5 tpg 50% fg%, 34% 3pt%, 74% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 27.7)

Jordan (Bulls) - 31.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.4 apg, 2.5 spg, 0.9 bpg, 2.8 tpg, 51% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 84% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 29.1)

Playoffs:
Jordan - 33.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 5.7 apg, 2.1 spg, 0.9 bpg, 3.1 tpg, 49% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 83% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 28.6)
Lebron - 28.9 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 7.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, 3.6 tpg, 49% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 74% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 28.3)

Finals:
Jordan - 33.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.8 tpg, 48% fg%, 37% 3pt%, 81% ft%

Lebron - 28.2 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 7.7 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg, 4.0 tpg, 47% fg%, 34% 3pt%, 74% ft%
 

So clearly, LeBron isn't a better 3 point shooter than the GOAT. So, that fallacy is gone. LeBron is a better rebounder and passer, but isn't suppose to be? At 6'9 260, he's got 3 inches, and 60 pounds on MJ. I would hope he would be a better rebounder. LOL. After fifteen seasons for both, clearly MJ is the better scorer, defender, he can shoot better (because LeBron outside of 3 feet of the basket has been hot garbage the majority of his career), dunker (LeBron never won a dunk contest, or competed in one), and lastly better free throw shooter. But, hey, LeBron is good at rebounding and dishing the ball, right? 

Thought I would bring some actual facts to the table instead of fuging opinions. 

[JakeDel5674]

2 hours ago, Pimpdaddy said:

maybe two years in Miami but hes been surrounded by inferior talent most of his career... the real comparison would be Cam going to the Browns and taking them to  the superbowl..

That is fuging terrible. He's been surrounded by two All-Stars, and former All-Stars the past 3 years. Jesus, you guys and your shitty opinions are impressive. 

[beastson]

1 hour ago, JakeDel5674 said:

First off, LeBron created the player "super team" thing. The rest were management driven, including Boston. So yes, LeBron CREATED the super team, because it was PLAYER generated, for all you dumb ass LeBron stans. 

Secondly, if we're going to compare the two, it gets really bad quick:

Championships:
Jordan - 6
Lebron - 3

Finals Mvps:
Jordan - 6
Lebron - 3

Mvps:
Jordan - 5
Lebron - 4

Scoring Titles:
Jordan - 10
Lebron - 1

Defensive Player of the Year:
Jordan - 1 
Lebron - 0

Steals Leader:
Jordan - 3
Lebron - 0

All Nba 1st Team:
Jordan - 10
Lebron - 11

All Nba Defensive 1st team:
Jordan - 9
Lebron - 5

Regular Season:
Jordan - 30.1 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.3 apg, 2.3 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.7 tpg, 50% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 84% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 27.9)
Lebron - 27.2 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 7.2 asp, 1.6 spg, 0.8 bpg, 3.5 tpg 50% fg%, 34% 3pt%, 74% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 27.7)

Jordan (Bulls) - 31.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.4 apg, 2.5 spg, 0.9 bpg, 2.8 tpg, 51% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 84% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 29.1)

Playoffs:
Jordan - 33.4 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 5.7 apg, 2.1 spg, 0.9 bpg, 3.1 tpg, 49% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 83% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 28.6)
Lebron - 28.9 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 7.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, 3.6 tpg, 49% fg%, 33% 3pt%, 74% ft% (Player Efficiency Rating - 28.3)

Finals:
Jordan - 33.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.8 tpg, 48% fg%, 37% 3pt%, 81% ft%

Lebron - 28.2 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 7.7 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg, 4.0 tpg, 47% fg%, 34% 3pt%, 74% ft%
 

So clearly, LeBron isn't a better 3 point shooter than the GOAT. So, that fallacy is gone. LeBron is a better rebounder and passer, but isn't suppose to be? At 6'9 260, he's got 3 inches, and 60 pounds on MJ. I would hope he would be a better rebounder. LOL. After fifteen seasons for both, clearly MJ is the better scorer, defender, he can shoot better (because LeBron outside of 3 feet of the basket has been hot garbage the majority of his career), dunker (LeBron never won a dunk contest, or competed in one), and lastly better free throw shooter. But, hey, LeBron is good at rebounding and dishing the ball, right? 

Thought I would bring some actual facts to the table instead of fuging opinions. 

Lebron is a small forward/point guard

MJ is a shooting guard

They have two different jobs on the court. MJ shoots and scores. Lebron facilitates the offense and get points in the paint.

The fact remains that no player has accomplished more with less than Lebron James.

[Shocker]

1 hour ago, JakeDel5674 said:

That is fuging terrible. He's been surrounded by two All-Stars, and former All-Stars the past 3 years. Jesus, you guys and your shitty opinions are impressive. 

Comparing LeWhine James with Jordan is ludicrous.  As you proved with your earlier post.  I would add as well that the NBA was WAY tougher back in Jordan’s day than the watered down crap we see today.

[party_animal]

24 minutes ago, beastson said:

Lebron is a small forward/point guard

MJ is a shooting guard

They have two different jobs on the court. MJ shoots and scores. Lebron facilitates the offense and get points in the paint.

The fact remains that no player has accomplished more with less than Lebron James.

What did he accomplish with less? Because without another MVP on his team he has 0 rings. Dirk has 1 under these circumstances.

[X-Clown]

40 minutes ago, party_animal said:

What did he accomplish with less? Because without another MVP on his team he has 0 rings. Dirk has 1 under these circumstances.

What league MVP was on the 2016 Cavs roster? Furthermore, what league MVP was on the Heats two championship teams?

[Pimpdaddy]

3 hours ago, JakeDel5674 said:

That is fuging terrible. He's been surrounded by two All-Stars, and former All-Stars the past 3 years. Jesus, you guys and your shitty opinions are impressive. 

LOL...how many of those all stars were concussed or had an injury when it mattered... and don't call me Jesus....and i didnt bring Jordan into this...he had an amazing supporting cast.

[JakeDel5674]

10 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

LOL...how many of those all stars were concussed or had an injury when it mattered... and don't call me Jesus....and i didnt bring Jordan into this...he had an amazing supporting cast.

Amazing supporting cast? Pippen was the only consistent All-Star on his team and he only made it 7 times. BJ Armstrong and Grant did not make 1 All-Star team while Jordan was playing with them. LOL at amazing support cast. Just because you state an opinion, doesn't make it right. I'll just have to continue to bring facts to the table.