Lorenzo Doss could intercept a roster spot

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

 

Problem is cutting Captain doesn't really save much and he's definitely our best nickel on the roster. And no Jackson is not a nickel. With no TD first 4 weeks we'll be running a ton of nickel CB and we need Captain for that.

It is indeed the problem as we see it today.  For us to cut or shop Munnerlyn (right now, there are so many people down on our CBs from last year--so the stock  is down, at least in the eyes of the fan base and that is why so many of us want him gone--that and the public display of dissatisfaction last season) - we would have to have a  player step up and really ball during camp to feel good about releasing or cutting Capt.  I think that is a possibility, but to your point, a "a bird in the hand..."

I see Capt. on the downside of his career but he is younger than most think.   Still,  players like Doss and Elder are maturing, and they were actually higher picks (if that means anything at all--and it does not, except for the fact that they have not been given the opportunity yet) than Munnerlyn.   The missing (or being tardy) for meetings is a concern, but not what I would call a character issue at this point. 

I am not yet a Seymour fan, so I wanted to jump on that obvious option.  However, I wonder if his speed is a better fit for man coverage and we had him in zone a lot--I wish I knew more about it...

[SetfreexX]

Seymour if memory serves was touted as a good man defender.  

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/kevon-seymour?id=2555549

BOTTOM LINE

 Seymour's lost playing time coupled with his injury issues do not bode well for his draft standing, but he's got decent size and quality speed and athleticism doesn't appear to be a problem. Seymour needs to prove he can be a more physical tackler and he might be better suited playing for a defense that stresses man­-off coverage.

This was also a good cut up, and posted last season when we made the trade with Buffalo. 

 

 

[Captain Morgan]

only 5 teams had less interceptions last year than the Carolina Panthers.

We had 10.

 

May the best man win.

[KB_fan]

Appreciate the info on this guy. Someone to root for, for sure. I knew basically nothing about him. His coming from Denver intrigues me! Bring in some of that secondary excellence.

[Jeremy Igo]

He also gave up quite a few big plays today. Was getting g picked on. Don't judge a book by its interception on a horrible qb

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 hours ago, ladypanther said:

Hope he has learned to show up for meetings.

brutal 

[Ace_Aladdin]

Huddlers sleeping on Ross 

[Jeremy Igo]

1 minute ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

Huddlers sleeping on Ross 

Worked with trainers on the sideline today.

 

Can't make the team in the tub

[Ace_Aladdin]

4 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Worked with trainers on the sideline today.

 

Can't make the team in the tub

I would be really worried if it was closer to Spartanburg and coming of injury and he was a rookie.

BTW  usually rookies need more reps than vets. 

Yea he is better than Seymour, Jackson, Corn on Cobb etc

 

[Bj-Monster23]

6 hours ago, t96 said:

 

Problem is cutting Captain doesn't really save much and he's definitely our best nickel on the roster. And no Jackson is not a nickel. With no TD first 4 weeks we'll be running a ton of nickel CB and we need Captain for that.

Not necessarily because Shaq played a huge role at big Nickle last season which was the biggest reason CAP became a problem. Yes he is the more experienced player but he also gave up plays and blown assignments last season in our defense. The only game I actually remember CAP being a factor was against Minnesota. I’m sure we can all see why. 

[t96]

8 minutes ago, Bj-Monster23 said:

Not necessarily because Shaq played a huge role at big Nickle last season which was the biggest reason CAP became a problem. Yes he is the more experienced player but he also gave up plays and blown assignments last season in our defense. The only game I actually remember CAP being a factor was against Minnesota. I’m sure we can all see why. 

Shaq will be taking over TDs role the first four weeks of the season.

[MHS831]

• Let's say we want to run more man coverage this year.  Here is who we have that might make the roster
• Elder
• Cockrell
• Bradberry
• Munnerlyn
• Jackson
• Seymour
• Doss
• Cole
• Gunter

( We are cutting 3-4 CBs--probably 4)

Cole and Gunter are probably not going to get a jersey if we run less zone coverage.  The only lock we have is probably Jackson, oddly enough.  I think Thomas is right--he is not a nickel, he is an outside CB.

• Elder
• Cockrell
• Bradberry
• Munnerlyn
• Seymour
• Doss
• Jackson  (LOCK)

Corners that can play both man and zone that are good tacklers are probably preferred.   Let's take a look at what we know:

• Elder: At 5'10", 185, Elder ran 4.55 at the combine.  A solid tackler, competitor, and high football acumen, Elder is a football player.  He does not measure well, time well, but he plays the game well--at least he did in college before a pretty serious injury. Elder is the wildcard---he could fall anywhere between practice squad player to starting nickel.
• Cockrell:  Perhaps the most "pure zone" CB on the roster which puts him in a position to compete for a job on the roster.  He is 26, ran a 4.56, and had a 7.2 3-cone drill.  This suggests that he lacks both the front-in speed and agility to become an effective man CB. 
• Bradberry:  Ran a 4.5 and a 6.9 3-cone.  Bradberry has the speed and seems to have the intelligence to play.  Does he have the fire?  I think he has the skills and experience to be a solid starting CB if not asked to face the #1  WR the whole game.  He had 85 tackles last year, so he gets a good grade in that area.  He scored "poor" with PFF, had a bad year.  However, he should be in the mix for a starting job, and at 25 in his third year, should be ready to turn the corner.
• Munnerlyn   At 30, he has a year or two left, but he is small and never has been a great athlete.  Compared to other CBs who use speed and agility to overcome 5'9"ism, he ran a pedestrian 4.51 40 at the combine and posted a rather unimpressive 3-cone drill (7.15).  At 30, one should expect these numbers to be be slower.  Some veterans sub intelligence for losing a step, but Captain was not impressive last year.  Is it reasonable to expect better in 2018?  28 tackles and 2 sacks.  Cutting him saves $1.3m this season, $7.5m over the remaining 2 years  of the contract.
• Seymour: Ran a 4.39 and the shift to man coverage benefits no player more than Seymour.  Asked to play Zone and nickel last season,, he came close to beating out a zone CB in a zone scheme.  In addition to his blazing speed, his 3 cone drill was a 6.81 at his pro day--these are the characteristics of a press man CB. 
• Doss: 15 interceptions in 3 seasons at Tulane.  Showed signs at Denver, buried in a deep secondary.  Looking good in OTAs, but he gambles--likes the big play.  Isn't that what they said about Norman?  It took 3-4 years for the light to come on for JN.
• Jackson  (LOCK)  Sooner or later, Jackson starts

 

[Panthers8969]

^ nice write up, but lol you really don’t think Bradberry is a lock to make the roster? 

[MHS831]

On Paper, and that term is key, I would say that our starting CBs will be Bradberry and Jackson.  Seymour is the first on the depth chart if Man coverage is needed; Cockrell if Zone.  I still think it is possible for Munnerlyn to be cut, but only if a Nickel steps up.